When I would re-watch TNG I used to skip the first two seasons. They’re pretty rough, but then I missed some of the good ones (measure of man, for example). Now I just skip the individual crappy ones.
I think people are holding SNW in such high regard because when it’s compared to the rest of nu-trek, it’s god tier. By itself, it’s ok. I like it well enough. Plenty of stinkers episodes though. I still have hope for it.
Fervently disagree, it has squandered all it could have been and the writing is still absolutely awful. Granted, it’s a notch above Discovery and Picard.
The best Star Trek show is the one you like the most. If that’s Discovery, that’s fine. And if you don’t like the show, that’s also fine. But making an overall declaration that a show is terrible and tacitly expecting everyone to agree is not cool.
I’m not expecting everyone agree whether or telling anyone whether or not they should or shouldn’t like it, but there are many more demonstrable issues with writing and plotting, let alone canon, that exist in excess throughout Discovery, Picard, and SNW. These are objective issues that actual writers have taken issue with, and they’re consistent issues with the executive producers involved.
Absolutely TNG or DS9 aren’t some pantheon of perfection, but from an overall standpoint of consistency, narrative continuity, and proper handling of characters and their development? They’re lightyears beyond the juvenile handling of characters and plots in the post 09 FMV shows. It’s just fact.
You’re ascribing a lot of emotional baggage to what I typed on my phone while pedaling a stationary bike that doesn’t exist.
I’m not here to argue the finer points of plot holes in these productions that have been under spotlights for years and detailed far better by people with enough time to make hundreds of videos on the subjects like Robert Meyer Burnett, Nitpicking Nerd, and Red Letter Media.
If you enjoy these shows, fantastic, more power to you. Just don’t tell me they’re amazingly well-made and just as good as previous incarnations of Star Trek when they can and have been analyzed ad nauseam, displaying exactly how they aren’t.
They’re not “too political” or “woke,” they’re written by terrible committees and the executive producers / show runners are hacks.
Lower Decks (and Prodigy, I’m told) excluded.
Strange New Worlds is fantastic and takes plenty of risks other shows don’t.
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So it really is Star Trek, then. :P
People like to forget how many shit episodes of every series there are.
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When I would re-watch TNG I used to skip the first two seasons. They’re pretty rough, but then I missed some of the good ones (measure of man, for example). Now I just skip the individual crappy ones.
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Idk, I watched 2-3 seasons of DSC and gave up, my gf liked it so she kept watching it, whenever I’d watch an episode with her, I wouldn’t enjoy it.
DSC convinced her to watch TNG, so we watched it from the start and seasons 1-2 were better than I remembered.
You’re not wrong…
I think people are holding SNW in such high regard because when it’s compared to the rest of nu-trek, it’s god tier. By itself, it’s ok. I like it well enough. Plenty of stinkers episodes though. I still have hope for it.
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Fervently disagree, it has squandered all it could have been and the writing is still absolutely awful. Granted, it’s a notch above Discovery and Picard.
Why?
The best Star Trek show is the one you like the most. If that’s Discovery, that’s fine. And if you don’t like the show, that’s also fine. But making an overall declaration that a show is terrible and tacitly expecting everyone to agree is not cool.
I’m not expecting everyone agree whether or telling anyone whether or not they should or shouldn’t like it, but there are many more demonstrable issues with writing and plotting, let alone canon, that exist in excess throughout Discovery, Picard, and SNW. These are objective issues that actual writers have taken issue with, and they’re consistent issues with the executive producers involved.
Absolutely TNG or DS9 aren’t some pantheon of perfection, but from an overall standpoint of consistency, narrative continuity, and proper handling of characters and their development? They’re lightyears beyond the juvenile handling of characters and plots in the post 09 FMV shows. It’s just fact.
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You’re ascribing a lot of emotional baggage to what I typed on my phone while pedaling a stationary bike that doesn’t exist.
I’m not here to argue the finer points of plot holes in these productions that have been under spotlights for years and detailed far better by people with enough time to make hundreds of videos on the subjects like Robert Meyer Burnett, Nitpicking Nerd, and Red Letter Media.
If you enjoy these shows, fantastic, more power to you. Just don’t tell me they’re amazingly well-made and just as good as previous incarnations of Star Trek when they can and have been analyzed ad nauseam, displaying exactly how they aren’t.
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Wow, they’re just outing themselves