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Last year, I wrote a great deal about the rise of “ventilation shutdown plus” (VSD+), a method being used to mass kill poultry birds on factory farms by sealing off the airflow inside barns and pumping in extreme heat using industrial-scale heaters, so that the animals die of heatstroke over the course of hours. It is one of the worst forms of cruelty being inflicted on animals in the US food system — the equivalent of roasting animals to death — and it’s been used to kill tens of millions of poultry birds during the current avian flu outbreak.
As of this summer, the most recent period for which data is available, more than 49 million birds, or over 80 percent of the depopulated total, were killed in culls that used VSD+ either alone or in combination with other methods, according to an analysis of USDA data by Gwendolen Reyes-Illg, a veterinary adviser to the Animal Welfare Institute (AWI), an animal advocacy nonprofit. These mass killings, or “depopulations,” in the industry’s jargon, are paid for with public dollars through a USDA program that compensates livestock farmers for their losses.
If it makes you feel bad when people tell you that killing animals is wrong, then you should look into not killing animals. How am I supposed to try to convince you to stop eating meat if I have to set my morals aside and say “actually there’s nothing really wrong with eating meat, and you shouldn’t feel bad at all about it?”
You’re really missing the point, so I’m just going to let it go now. The amusing thing is that we’re on the same side, but you do fall into that latter group I described.
How are you supposed to win new friends when you turn off people who are already on your side? You need to look into your tactics if you want to be effective. I’m sure you disagree, but I would really encourage you to think about it.
Yeah lemme make good close friends with some random on the internet, and see if I can convince them not to eat meat based not on any arguments about morality or anything like that, but just by being nice about the fact that they kill and eat animals and don’t feel bad about it
All we need to do is support our local slaughterers and never make them think about whether what they’re doing is actually harmful, that’ll really make them start to think about whether what they’re doing is actually harmful 🥰
Nah, I’m gonna be an asshole to someone who’s being an asshole
Wtf? What are you eating? Please tell me. I’ve gotte paragraphs of bullshit but nothing else.
You have to do this basically every time you want to convince someone, occupying their position better than they can occupy it themselves and still coming out with the correct opinion is part of being empathetic and mature. There’s not really any inherent or objective morality to whether or not raising and then killing your own chickens is good or not. Someone who’s really invested in the concept of ownership as a specific right is really not going to care about your own moral code of infringing on the chicken’s right to not be killed randomly. They’re just going to say that it’s their right to kill their chicken, and that’s that. It obviously has to become bigger than that, you have to give alternatives, spell out why their ideological position doesn’t really work out at scale, give out alternative perspectives, you have to be intellectually honest and give them ground when they push back.
If you just kind of, resorting to occupying your own position forever, and then calling out other people that violate that position, then you’re just gonna be kind of blindly hitting other people for reasons that they don’t fully understand, like what happens on the internet constantly. It’s maybe more self-affirming to be someone else’s ideological landmine, but I think it’s probably harmful overall, because it’s a selfish short-term gain that doesn’t see the bigger picture. It prioritizes your own self-affirmation over someone else’s ability to be emotionally vulnerable and open to new ideas. Your own morals should probably not preclude you from being nice to people that you see as bad or evil or dicks. But then that’s just my two cents, I dunno.