The Israeli army showed a reinforced tunnel beside Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza on Wednesday, complete with a bathroom, kitchen and an air conditioned meeting room that it said had served as a command post for Hamas fighters.
I find it weird that people so vehemently deny that Hamas builds infrastructure near civilian sites. It’s well documented. Doesn’t excuse the thousands of civilians that Israel has killed in this horrible war, but that level of collateral damage is one of Hamas’ aims to shape public opinion. Israel is foolish for feeding into that, they’ve squandered international good will for a goal I don’t think is attainable.
No one denies it. What they deny is that the Hospital itself was a command center for hamas. It wasn’t. It was a hospital. And Israel killed a bunch of innocent people to dig outside and find the tunnel. There is no excuse for slaughtering innocents. It is a war crime regardless of any justification.
The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.
Emphasis mine. Because was there a reasonable warning? “Take these intensive care patients through an active war zone, oh and btw you’re surrounded” doesn’t seem to apply
And…
The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.
Which seems to be a all that was going on. The tunnels are everywhere, and do not constitute the hospital being used to commit acts harmful to the enemy.
I guess you may be trolling (Because I hope this is not just how you write) but this type of claim is common. Doesn’t pass the sniff test and I am yet to see a convincing legal justification
“The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.”
Thus far the only actual evidence is that there were tunnels below the hospital. Everyone already knew that. The entire place is a web of tunnels. No one was running anything but health care inside the hospital.
It’s been mind-boggling to see. I mean, “well documented” is kind of an understatement. And so is “near,” actually. Hamas tries to literally merge their infrastructure with civilian infrastructure, making it impossible to differentiate between the two, with the express purpose of using civilians as human shields.
And yes, “foolish” is also an understatement. Israel’s conservative-controlled government has responded exactly as Hamas wanted them to. It was a trap, an obvious one, and they fell right into it.
So far there’s zero proof they did. Having to knock a building down to gain access to the entry point would heavily imply that it wasn’t recently used and probably hasn’t been done Israel walled it of with cement.
There’s better evidence that smuggling tunnels that existed before Hamas was even a thing have been used offensively by both sides at one point or another though no credible evidence has surfaced of their use in this conflict.
Honestly it would be kind of dumb to use such shallow tunnels because Israel has flying gpr that can detect tunnels. It’s why tunnels weren’t super common fighting isil or al queda, it’s a ton of time and energy when hiding in plain sight is cheaper less resource intensive and less obvious when your imports and exports are controlled externally by an adversarial nation.
Hamas isn’t Palestine. Hamas, and groups like it, have their stated, public goal being the complete destruction of Israel, and simply will not negotiate peace. At all. They consider it their religious duty to eradicate Jewish people for existing in the wrong place.
Yes, of course Israel’s actions have made it worse, by giving Hamas oxygen and credibility, but it’s a mischaracterization to treat Hamas as just some random guy Israel kept locked up.
There are no good guys in this conflict, and all involved - except for civilians on both sides - have been terrible to each other for a long time.
lil’ baby bibi has never tried anythign remotely resembling negotiating for peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization. What is the Israeli government’s excuse?
Far be it from me to defend him and his conservative government. Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster for Israel and for peace, no question.
Just look at this:
That’s at the groundbreaking ceremony for a new, illegal settlement in the Golan Heights, named after Trump in honor of him supporting Israel’s claim on the territory (and thereby discrediting the United States as a peace broker, unfortunately).
So yeah, I’m well aware that Netanyahu has been terrible.
Israel has admitted, via a former PM, that they built the bunker under the hospital as an expansion to it in the 1980s. Might be why they know exactly where the entrances are.
Another note is that when the “Health Minister” of the Gaza Strip talks, that’s Hamas talking. The government there is Hamas. It’s just as much propaganda as what the Likud party spits out.
Hamas has been the government in the Gaza Strip only since 2007. Its critical to note that Ol’ Netanyahu and his cronies were responsible for enabling that power grab.
They didn’t. Occupied People are uncooperative. Desperate People lash out irrationally. These are simple cause and effect of Human Nature, not an excuse nor any defense.
They didn’t. They put it around “bad guy” because it was casting another person’s placed label, not their own. The quotes are appropriate. It denotes the other person cast the role. It does not denote acceptance nor rejection. It is just a quote.
Hamas attacked, committed the most sickening acts (murdered and kidnapped baby’s and women to rape) and took hostages back to gaza. Israel was never going to sit back quietly after that (or could anyone).
That was Hamas’s plan though. Cause as much suffering as possible to their own people to generate propaganda against Israel and hopefully isolate them for later attacks.
The most sickening thing is the Hamas betrayal of their own people. To use them in this way is beyond barbaric.
I find it weird that people so vehemently deny that Hamas builds infrastructure near civilian sites. It’s well documented. Doesn’t excuse the thousands of civilians that Israel has killed in this horrible war, but that level of collateral damage is one of Hamas’ aims to shape public opinion. Israel is foolish for feeding into that, they’ve squandered international good will for a goal I don’t think is attainable.
No one denies it. What they deny is that the Hospital itself was a command center for hamas. It wasn’t. It was a hospital. And Israel killed a bunch of innocent people to dig outside and find the tunnel. There is no excuse for slaughtering innocents. It is a war crime regardless of any justification.
hiiii~ it’s not actually a war-crime according to Article 19 of the Geneva Convention.
nawt defending iswael, just pointing out it’s legally not a war-crime :(
Why do some anime nerds choose to be so insufferable
Yh I was hoping that meme accounts would be something we left behind on Reddit.
We brought over all the worst parts of the reddit community and very few of the best parts. Sometimes lemmy feels like a bad photocopy
always been like that
based on the fact the account is fairly new and that ive seen them in other posts only posting pro Israel comments, I think this maybe a shill account
yush i am a shill posting on the most financially stable website, lemmy
Emphasis mine. Because was there a reasonable warning? “Take these intensive care patients through an active war zone, oh and btw you’re surrounded” doesn’t seem to apply
And…
Which seems to be a all that was going on. The tunnels are everywhere, and do not constitute the hospital being used to commit acts harmful to the enemy.
I guess you may be trolling (Because I hope this is not just how you write) but this type of claim is common. Doesn’t pass the sniff test and I am yet to see a convincing legal justification
It is a war crime.
“The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.”
Thus far the only actual evidence is that there were tunnels below the hospital. Everyone already knew that. The entire place is a web of tunnels. No one was running anything but health care inside the hospital.
It’s been mind-boggling to see. I mean, “well documented” is kind of an understatement. And so is “near,” actually. Hamas tries to literally merge their infrastructure with civilian infrastructure, making it impossible to differentiate between the two, with the express purpose of using civilians as human shields.
And yes, “foolish” is also an understatement. Israel’s conservative-controlled government has responded exactly as Hamas wanted them to. It was a trap, an obvious one, and they fell right into it.
The former Israeli PM admitted in an interview that Israel built the bunker underneath Al-Shifa hospital.
Yes, but was Hamas using it?
So far there’s zero proof they did. Having to knock a building down to gain access to the entry point would heavily imply that it wasn’t recently used and probably hasn’t been done Israel walled it of with cement.
There’s better evidence that smuggling tunnels that existed before Hamas was even a thing have been used offensively by both sides at one point or another though no credible evidence has surfaced of their use in this conflict.
Honestly it would be kind of dumb to use such shallow tunnels because Israel has flying gpr that can detect tunnels. It’s why tunnels weren’t super common fighting isil or al queda, it’s a ton of time and energy when hiding in plain sight is cheaper less resource intensive and less obvious when your imports and exports are controlled externally by an adversarial nation.
https://www.wired.com/2007/11/watch-out-iran/
probably because they support the actions or are so binary in their beliefs that there can’t be two bad guys
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Hamas isn’t Palestine. Hamas, and groups like it, have their stated, public goal being the complete destruction of Israel, and simply will not negotiate peace. At all. They consider it their religious duty to eradicate Jewish people for existing in the wrong place.
Yes, of course Israel’s actions have made it worse, by giving Hamas oxygen and credibility, but it’s a mischaracterization to treat Hamas as just some random guy Israel kept locked up.
There are no good guys in this conflict, and all involved - except for civilians on both sides - have been terrible to each other for a long time.
Palestine at least has the excuse that they haven’t voted for a long time, Israel doesn’t.
lil’ baby bibi has never tried anythign remotely resembling negotiating for peace. Hamas is a terrorist organization. What is the Israeli government’s excuse?
Far be it from me to defend him and his conservative government. Netanyahu has been an unmitigated disaster for Israel and for peace, no question.
Just look at this:
That’s at the groundbreaking ceremony for a new, illegal settlement in the Golan Heights, named after Trump in honor of him supporting Israel’s claim on the territory (and thereby discrediting the United States as a peace broker, unfortunately).
So yeah, I’m well aware that Netanyahu has been terrible.
Hamas isn’t Palestine. But Hamas is the Gaza Strip. They are its government.
To be clear, that doesn’t warrant the eradication that the Israeli military and the Likud party are executing.
decades.
Israel has admitted, via a former PM, that they built the bunker under the hospital as an expansion to it in the 1980s. Might be why they know exactly where the entrances are.
Another note is that when the “Health Minister” of the Gaza Strip talks, that’s Hamas talking. The government there is Hamas. It’s just as much propaganda as what the Likud party spits out.
Hamas has been the government in the Gaza Strip only since 2007. Its critical to note that Ol’ Netanyahu and his cronies were responsible for enabling that power grab.
why are you defending a terrorist attack that killed innocent civilians?
They didn’t. Occupied People are uncooperative. Desperate People lash out irrationally. These are simple cause and effect of Human Nature, not an excuse nor any defense.
Putting quotations around the word bad is hella sus.
They didn’t. They put it around “bad guy” because it was casting another person’s placed label, not their own. The quotes are appropriate. It denotes the other person cast the role. It does not denote acceptance nor rejection. It is just a quote.
Mods disagree it seems
Hamas attacked, committed the most sickening acts (murdered and kidnapped baby’s and women to rape) and took hostages back to gaza. Israel was never going to sit back quietly after that (or could anyone).
That was Hamas’s plan though. Cause as much suffering as possible to their own people to generate propaganda against Israel and hopefully isolate them for later attacks.
The most sickening thing is the Hamas betrayal of their own people. To use them in this way is beyond barbaric.