• ryathal
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    7 months ago

    Are you pretending NATO isn’t using Ukraine as a proxy? Sure Russia started it, but that doesn’t make it not a proxy war.

    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Actually putting blame on Russia while also condemning nato, tankie tag it is.

      I don’t want to even argue the semantics of supplying aid vs proxy war so sure, nato proxy war it is. Does that now turn nato into the perpetrators of the war? No, pretty sure Russia still invaded a soverign country under false pretense. And funnily enough, Russia is still the only side that can unilaterally end the war. Ukraine is fighting for survival. If they left Ukraine, there would be no war, so we can’t even blame ANYONE else for prolonging it.

      The Afghanistan war cost 2.3 trillion (to the US alone) and accomplished basically nothing. Ukraine has received a small fraction of that amount (maybe 15%) and has singlehandedly significantly reduced Russia’s capabilities in 2 years. They were thought of as the number 2 world military superpower and they’ve been turned into a joke.

      Not to mention NATO literally was created to oppose Soviet imperialism. Supporting Ukraine is them doing their fucking job.

      • bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
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        7 months ago

        Russia’s strength in depth has also been heavily eroded. I have trouble imagining the US attacking a coastal country and losing a third of a fleet. Satellite imagery show old tank parks being emptied out. This has become pyrrhic for russia even if they take territory in the end.