I’ve started reading Jumper by NameDoesNotMatter. I would like to formally apologise about all the harsh things I’ve ever spoken about that film.

Fine, the cast is unlikeable and the action scenes are just fisticuffs in the air, but my god, in comparison to the teenage dreck that is the book, it’s a masterpiece. At least they tried to build a credible back story for the main character.

In the book, he literally thinks everyone is out to sexually assault him (and somehow they seem to), he solves his problems by throwing money at it, instead of any actual creativity, and the author desperately tries to portray him as a mature-for-his-age adult, despite the fact that his first reaction to anything is crying followed by petty revenge.

I’m just flicking through the pages, pausing at any plot bits, and then flicking on.

  • @xmunk
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    403 months ago

    Starship Troopers was a far different story in each medium, but I think the movie is much more worthy of your time

    • @Vendetta9076
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      73 months ago

      The movie is great but I’m curious as to why you think its better than the book?

      • @xmunk
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        303 months ago

        I think the story and messaging of the movie is just amazing. We get to see the decline of Rico into a fascist mouthpiece, the casual disregard for human life and the way society warps us all. What starts out as perceived funny-ha-ha jokes in the opening act (the kid saying “I’ll serve too”) is retroactively depressing by the end of the film where Herr Commisar NPH shows how trivial the whole war is.

    • lemmyvore
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      53 months ago

      There’s also an anime adaptation in 6 episodes, Uchuu no Senshi, made by Bandai. It was directed by Tetsurou Amino (Iria, Macross 7) and the mechas were designed by Kazutaka Miyatake (designer of spaceships and power suits for Macross, Gundam and Battleship Yamato).

      It’s considered an important milestone and a progenitor in the mecha genre. It has a very… anime approach to the adaptation, focusing mostly on the action and scifi with very little of the original drama or politics.

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          12 months ago

          It should be noted that the director explicitly meant the series as a tribute to Heinlein and it was dedicated to him when it launched (Heinlein had died during production) so there was a clear intent.

          That being said it was a mini-series and there was only a limited amount of things they could cram into it. It’s a pretty complex book with a lot of detail.

          There’s also the fact that a faithful adaptation would have been pretty hard to sell to the Japanese public. They have different sensibilities from the Western public and some of the symbolism would have been completely lost on them or appropriated to very different meanings.

          A son who joins the marines and goes to war while regretting the rift with his parents is easy to understand in most markets. Add some cool SciFi imagery and action scenes, a touch of romantic interest, it’s sufficient for 6 episodes.

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      23 months ago

      +1 the movie is pure epic satire

      I do like PKD as an author, I just never quite liked Starship Troopers the book, even though it’s got some nice Forever War vibes to it

      • livus
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        133 months ago

        Probably because Starship Troopers isn’t PKD. It’s Heinlein.

        Kind of funny to imagine what it would have been like if it had been written by PKD. Johny Rico would have spent 1/3 of the book going through a divorce and the troopers would have all been on halucinogens.

        • @[email protected]OP
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          43 months ago

          oh whoops, I’ve made that mistake for X years then. Solves a mystery too - I hate Heinlein. Stranger in a strange land was dull.

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            The only book of his I’d recommend is The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. It’s quite Anarcho Capitalist, and sexist in places but it’s an interesting revolution story regardless and has some interesting ideas in it

          • livus
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            33 months ago

            Yeah I found it boring as well. But yeah that would explain it!

      • soli
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        Starship Troopers is Heinlein not Dick, and it’s fascist nonsense. Verhoeven was right to throw the book in the bin after two chapters and the movie rules.

        • @[email protected]
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          123 months ago

          Heinlein experiments with loads of social structures and governments. Starship Troopers is the fascist example, not an example of all his work.

        • lemmyvore
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          23 months ago

          It’s been a while since I’ve read it but what was fascist about it? That only people who served got to vote? It was either/or iirc, you could not vote while in the military, only after you left, and if you did you could not return. Not exactly Nazi Germany.

          • livus
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            63 months ago

            Only ex military caste have power because they are the only people who can vote or hold public office.

            There’s this respected teacher guy in it who goes on about how violence solves everything, hero’s main trajectory is for him to become really on board with that setup. Bunch of capital punishment, whipping etc.

            • @[email protected]
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              13 months ago

              I don’t think that’s entirely accurate. There were other paths to citizenship (iirc something akin to the peace corps and perhaps even business success? It’s been a while since I read it). But it wasn’t just military. It’s just that military was the easiest for most people.

              • livus
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                13 months ago

                Been a long time since I read it too but basically you had to do federal service and military was the most popular branch of that. But the book is mostly interested in military and high up characters talk about their military background etc. It’s definitely fascist.

      • lemmyvore
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        43 months ago

        Funny thing, The Forever War is considered a direct reaction to Starship Troopers, the former as a pacifist take to the latter’s militarism.

          • eightpix
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            The Forever War is a book that I’ll always point to as a gateway into reading sci-fi, not just watching it.

            Such a good book.