I actually like this post. Yes they are political opponents in their family, but it should not split the families, they should not be enemies, instead through love and calm conversations they can arrive to common ground and change each other mind.
Yeah no, you owe bigoted shitheads nothing just because you happen to share DNA with them
When the disconnect is whether or not people deserve rights just because of things like gender identity, I don’t give a shit about finding common ground. The bigoted shitbags can eat shit and die
Let me draw your attention to a sentence towards the middle of this block of text:
Things I have known as sinful are bold and brave.
He’s talking about gay people. This isn’t an argument about taxes or government spending, it’s whether or not people should be considered criminals for being born different. I can’t speak for everyone, but that’s not something I would personally tolerate, especially if I was trying to be a good influence on my hypothetical children. (I probably won’t have children because just taking care of myself is hard enough and I don’t think I’d be good at it, so take that with a grain of salt.)
The dude names himself their enemy in his own post, this is a choice he has made, and he only cares because now his actions are beginning to have consequences. He could choose to not be this way and won’t.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
It’s nice you haven’t had to live this. You don’t arrive in this situation because some mean kid doesn’t like your politics: it’s the result of being unwilling or unable to respect boundaries or civil discussion. Nobody gets cut out of regular family interactions because someone saw how you voted over your shoulder, it’s from being a raging, crusading, evangelizing toolbag.
I’m sure you mean well but I’m sorry to say this is naive as fuck. Sometimes the only thing to do is cut or limit contact to protect yourself and your own family.
Cutting off contact isn’t being an enemy. It’s realizing that someone makes your life worse instead of better, and acting accordingly. Sure, if both sides are willing to have calm conversations and work through the issue, they should be able to. But if one side (and this poster sounds like it’s them) digs their heels in and refuses to respect the other, it’s often healthier to cut contact.
The issue I have with stances like this is that, well, politics are not inconsequential. Its not like being on different sides of a game, where everyone is equally in the right and one side winning or losing changes little. The consequences to political policy are far reaching, nuanced, and can literally be life and death to some, even if the policy seems boring or inconsequential. Some stances therefore are going to seem so heinous to someone with an opposing stance that there really cant simply be an “agree to disagree”, its more a “we work together on this, or we work against eachother”. And if youre working against someone in a matter that can be life and death, that someone is almost definitionally your enemy, regardless of genetic similarity. Humans only have so much capacity in their lives for close relationships with other people. If you cant stand someone, it therefore makes sense to use that capacity to maintain ties with someone you do get along with. Being born around a certain person is not an obligation to stay with them.
People that post stuff like that aren’t looking for redemption or a relationship revival. It’s performative bullshit so they can get 100 emojis from other loser boomers who over share on Facebook.
“My family has more family now. I’d like to find a way to bridge the gap and see if we can’t start something small that grows someday. It broke and I wish it wasn’t.”
Parents are under an obligation to their children. To love and care for them and make sure they get to adulthood as safely and healthily as they can. Children are expected to do what those parents say until they turn 18 whether they love those parents or not.
You do not have to love your parents and you shouldn’t be expected to if your parents did not fulfill their obligation.
I say this as a very loving parent. I will always love my daughter. If she doesn’t love me, I will be devastated. But I will not say she has to love me.
I actually like this post. Yes they are political opponents in their family, but it should not split the families, they should not be enemies, instead through love and calm conversations they can arrive to common ground and change each other mind.
Yeah no, you owe bigoted shitheads nothing just because you happen to share DNA with them
When the disconnect is whether or not people deserve rights just because of things like gender identity, I don’t give a shit about finding common ground. The bigoted shitbags can eat shit and die
Old gramps is a white supremacist, this isn’t loving harmony.
Let me draw your attention to a sentence towards the middle of this block of text:
He’s talking about gay people. This isn’t an argument about taxes or government spending, it’s whether or not people should be considered criminals for being born different. I can’t speak for everyone, but that’s not something I would personally tolerate, especially if I was trying to be a good influence on my hypothetical children. (I probably won’t have children because just taking care of myself is hard enough and I don’t think I’d be good at it, so take that with a grain of salt.)
The dude names himself their enemy in his own post, this is a choice he has made, and he only cares because now his actions are beginning to have consequences. He could choose to not be this way and won’t.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
A few will wake up, I think it’s most likely that this dude will die cursing his “Marxist” kids.
It’s nice you haven’t had to live this. You don’t arrive in this situation because some mean kid doesn’t like your politics: it’s the result of being unwilling or unable to respect boundaries or civil discussion. Nobody gets cut out of regular family interactions because someone saw how you voted over your shoulder, it’s from being a raging, crusading, evangelizing toolbag.
I’m sure you mean well but I’m sorry to say this is naive as fuck. Sometimes the only thing to do is cut or limit contact to protect yourself and your own family.
Cutting off contact isn’t being an enemy. It’s realizing that someone makes your life worse instead of better, and acting accordingly. Sure, if both sides are willing to have calm conversations and work through the issue, they should be able to. But if one side (and this poster sounds like it’s them) digs their heels in and refuses to respect the other, it’s often healthier to cut contact.
The issue I have with stances like this is that, well, politics are not inconsequential. Its not like being on different sides of a game, where everyone is equally in the right and one side winning or losing changes little. The consequences to political policy are far reaching, nuanced, and can literally be life and death to some, even if the policy seems boring or inconsequential. Some stances therefore are going to seem so heinous to someone with an opposing stance that there really cant simply be an “agree to disagree”, its more a “we work together on this, or we work against eachother”. And if youre working against someone in a matter that can be life and death, that someone is almost definitionally your enemy, regardless of genetic similarity. Humans only have so much capacity in their lives for close relationships with other people. If you cant stand someone, it therefore makes sense to use that capacity to maintain ties with someone you do get along with. Being born around a certain person is not an obligation to stay with them.
I did not say “agree to disagree”. Quite the contrary. Read my post again. Serious issues can be calmly discussed and families not need to be broken.
I’m sorry but when the “serious issues” are whether or not some of my best friends have a right to exist, there will be no calm discussions.
Congrats on not being raised by a narcissist.
Calm discussions are for people that share a reality.
Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic. Jesus Christ, how detached can one be. 😅
People that post stuff like that aren’t looking for redemption or a relationship revival. It’s performative bullshit so they can get 100 emojis from other loser boomers who over share on Facebook.
“My family has more family now. I’d like to find a way to bridge the gap and see if we can’t start something small that grows someday. It broke and I wish it wasn’t.”
That’s what it actually looks like.
It’s quite obvious that the poster did/said some pretty bad stuff. Now he wants to wash his hands of it, when it’s obvious that he caused the split.
I’m old, my parents ancient and that’s has never worked. Ever. It does lead to more aggressive attacks. I’m NC with one and minimal with the other.
Oh no! Is anyone going to tell them?
Parents are under an obligation to their children. To love and care for them and make sure they get to adulthood as safely and healthily as they can. Children are expected to do what those parents say until they turn 18 whether they love those parents or not.
You do not have to love your parents and you shouldn’t be expected to if your parents did not fulfill their obligation.
I say this as a very loving parent. I will always love my daughter. If she doesn’t love me, I will be devastated. But I will not say she has to love me.
Let’s say In this example, the parent fulfills their obligations. But they have a different political views.
Let’s say they do. What difference do you think that makes?
I simply point to the fact that you have answered wrong question.
You didn’t point to that “fact” at all.
What, according to you, is the “right” question?
Also, why do you get to decide which questions people ask about the things you say are right or wrong?
Edit: Also, I didn’t ask a question in the first place.
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