• Socsa
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    6 months ago

    James Joyce was widely regarded as a pretentious ass even back then. Tons of people have done stream of consciousness much better. The only people who should bother with Finnegan are academics. There is literally no substance or point to the story - it is entirely narrative fart sniffing.

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      It may be pretentious and impenetrable but that doesn’t make it bad. There are puns you have to know multiple languages to get, densly layered references, unusual structures and fun wordplay abounds. The word quark came from FW. It’s challenging, but fun to read because it’s challenging.

      I’m not saying git gud, no one should have to read FW. It’s kind of uniquely just a joy to read for the sake of enjoying the sounds of words and how they play together. Reading it for the plot or the characters is kind of missing the point, I think.

      That’s the whole problem with the AI summarizer: it requires you to believe that the only reason to write anything is to communicate some simplistic idea: a command, a moral, or an instruction. But writing isn’t just to convey a plot or moral lesson in the least, smallest words possible. Writing is poems and songs, plots and novels, screenplays and anecdotes, slogans and slogs. Writing can just be fun for the sake of words and doesn’t have to always convey some easily summarized or quantified concept.

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        Don’t get me wrong, I generally agree with the sentiment that it’s got plenty of artistic merit lurking around in there, but about 90% of that is going to be anachronistic to a modern reader who isn’t using a heavily annotated version, at which point a lot of the genuine wit gets beaten down by footnotes. Art has a way of losing its impact when you need it explained.

        That’s why I say most people shouldn’t bother. It is legitimately almost impossible for a modern reader to experience the book the way it was written to be experienced unless you spend a graduate degree working up to it. Instead what you will get is akin to a painting which has been blurred over by a foggy window, with someone standing on the other side trying to describe it to you. There are just many better ways to spend a dozen or so hours.

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        6 months ago

        The Great Gatsby is actually a good one. Catcher in the Rye. As I Lay Dying. The Waves.