President Joe Biden in a letter to congressional Democrats is standing firm against calls for him to drop his candidacy after his dismal debate performance.
I’m mad that that’s an option, but you’re spewing division which is the last thing we need right now. I, and many others, have been saying Biden isn’t the best choice. He should have been replaced earlier.
But now?! That’s the last thing we need. One slightly bad debate isn’t going to make me start in party fighting. Like it or not, Biden is our best shot. Any other option shows even more weakness. He could die 2 seconds after the election and I wouldn’t care. But until then he’s the number 1 choice
I vote for the party and it’s beliefs, not the man.
I really don’t agree. And moreover, we have a contemporary counter example: Macron, his party, and the elections in France two days ago, in which Macron and his party willingly and openly sacrificed his party’s prospects simply to diminish the chance that the fascists would pull out a win. And it worked.
This is an emergency situation. Treating it like any old election is going to end catastrophically, in my opinion.
Not to mention, I pretty strongly dislike the Democratic Party for how they’ve leaned even further towards corporate neoliberal interests, but I outright revile the Republican Party for becoming theocratic fascists. There are no good choices here; only less bad ones.
You can’t treat Frances multi party elections like our first past the line ones. That would be like saying RFK Jr should drop out so Biden has a better chance.
As soon as Biden drops out for anyone else, the Republicans gain so much ammo in us being unprepared and confused. Gives then more ammo on why they’re better.
Their guy can rape, lie, and cheat but it doesn’t matter. They will stick with him no matter what. Also, idk if you’ve watched him speak, he rambles and forget what he’s saying. But they will never replace him, and as shitty as it is atleast they’re strong in that sense.
If we replaced Biden now, there’s 0% chance everyone chooses the same person and then everyone is weaker. So yeah, I think he should stay.
I vote for the party and it’s [sic] beliefs, not the man.
Which beliefs? That compromising with fascism is the best way to deal with it? That the best way to move this country forward is to continually offer a “lesser evil”? That occasional lip-service to not being bigots is enough to distract us from the burning planet and infinitely yawning chasm between the owner class and the workers?
Do you have any clue what has actually been done in the past 4 years, or would you like me to list out some stuff? Cause if you read more into politics besides “the man’s old!” he’s been doing quite a bit for the American people
Also, if you can name a better candidate right now we would maybe be able to discuss that. But everyone is just saying ‘someone needs to replace him’ without any real answer. We all agree this isn’t ideal. But there is no genuine better solution IMHO
Harris. Easy answer. Already has name recognition, already has been planning to take over as President (if even a single Democratic advisor isn’t brain-dead), and scares the Republicans because she’s a woman and black. Sure, she’s a cop, but there aren’t any good options in the Democratic Party, and she won’t put up with Trump’s shit.
And isn’t past retirement age. Of course she wouldn’t have universal support, but I doubt there’s any Democrat who could have less support than Biden right now.
As for all the things Biden has done, I have heard of a few trivial steps in the right direction his administration has done. That’s great. Why isn’t he focusing on them in his campaign? Ignore the Toupee. Tell us what empty promises his administration is going to make. Nearly every sentient being is a better option than the Toupee, that’s not a compelling reason to vote for Biden, that’s just a reason to vote for anything else.
So you want to throw the party into chaos and give the enemy ammo just to elect the person that’s almost guaranteed to be in charge anyway? That seems pointless. A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris now anyway.
I’m honestly a bit surprised you’re not big mad at the prospect of the fascists winning the presidency in November
I’m mad that that’s an option, but you’re spewing division which is the last thing we need right now. I, and many others, have been saying Biden isn’t the best choice. He should have been replaced earlier.
But now?! That’s the last thing we need. One slightly bad debate isn’t going to make me start in party fighting. Like it or not, Biden is our best shot. Any other option shows even more weakness. He could die 2 seconds after the election and I wouldn’t care. But until then he’s the number 1 choice
I vote for the party and it’s beliefs, not the man.
I really don’t agree. And moreover, we have a contemporary counter example: Macron, his party, and the elections in France two days ago, in which Macron and his party willingly and openly sacrificed his party’s prospects simply to diminish the chance that the fascists would pull out a win. And it worked.
This is an emergency situation. Treating it like any old election is going to end catastrophically, in my opinion.
Not to mention, I pretty strongly dislike the Democratic Party for how they’ve leaned even further towards corporate neoliberal interests, but I outright revile the Republican Party for becoming theocratic fascists. There are no good choices here; only less bad ones.
You can’t treat Frances multi party elections like our first past the line ones. That would be like saying RFK Jr should drop out so Biden has a better chance.
As soon as Biden drops out for anyone else, the Republicans gain so much ammo in us being unprepared and confused. Gives then more ammo on why they’re better.
Their guy can rape, lie, and cheat but it doesn’t matter. They will stick with him no matter what. Also, idk if you’ve watched him speak, he rambles and forget what he’s saying. But they will never replace him, and as shitty as it is atleast they’re strong in that sense.
If we replaced Biden now, there’s 0% chance everyone chooses the same person and then everyone is weaker. So yeah, I think he should stay.
Which beliefs? That compromising with fascism is the best way to deal with it? That the best way to move this country forward is to continually offer a “lesser evil”? That occasional lip-service to not being bigots is enough to distract us from the burning planet and infinitely yawning chasm between the owner class and the workers?
Do you have any clue what has actually been done in the past 4 years, or would you like me to list out some stuff? Cause if you read more into politics besides “the man’s old!” he’s been doing quite a bit for the American people
Also, if you can name a better candidate right now we would maybe be able to discuss that. But everyone is just saying ‘someone needs to replace him’ without any real answer. We all agree this isn’t ideal. But there is no genuine better solution IMHO
Harris. Easy answer. Already has name recognition, already has been planning to take over as President (if even a single Democratic advisor isn’t brain-dead), and scares the Republicans because she’s a woman and black. Sure, she’s a cop, but there aren’t any good options in the Democratic Party, and she won’t put up with Trump’s shit.
And isn’t past retirement age. Of course she wouldn’t have universal support, but I doubt there’s any Democrat who could have less support than Biden right now.
As for all the things Biden has done, I have heard of a few trivial steps in the right direction his administration has done. That’s great. Why isn’t he focusing on them in his campaign? Ignore the Toupee. Tell us what empty promises his administration is going to make. Nearly every sentient being is a better option than the Toupee, that’s not a compelling reason to vote for Biden, that’s just a reason to vote for anything else.
So you want to throw the party into chaos and give the enemy ammo just to elect the person that’s almost guaranteed to be in charge anyway? That seems pointless. A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris now anyway.