Following Biden’s halting debate performance, and the panic it unleashed among Democrats in and outside of Washington, Pelosi is taking a strong, behind-the-scenes role in trying to resolve the political crisis by playing intermediary for upset rank-and-file Democrats and relaying those messages to the White House.
Guaranteeing the L in a big way, sorry just the truth.
I honestly don’t know if it would be. It’d energy progressives, and I don’t know if it’d cost more “moderates.” They either are voting against Trump or not already, not for Biden most likely.
I don’t see Harris energizing progressives. AOC would, but she’d have to overcome the apathy they have for the top of the ticket.
Biden handily beat Bernie in swing states during 2020 primaries. It sucks because I wish we didn’t have to worry about the EC. But we still do. So until it’s gone we’ll be stuck watching moderate candidates have the best path to winning.
In the primary? Sure. He was also the most well known. How it’d effect the general I don’t think is known, especially in this election of all elections. I don’t know anyone who’s voting for Biden. I know many who are voting against Trump, and for whatever the hell the democrats decide. I’m sure this is true for so many other voters, and I doubt having a progressive VP would change that
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-Arizona: Biden 44%, Bernie 33%
-Wisconsin: Biden 63%, Bernie 32%
-Michigan: Biden 53%, Bernie 36%
-Georgia doesn’t matter because Bernie dropped out by then but Biden still got 85%
These are all states Harris needs to win again. Where is this mythical progressive vote going to be energized from? It had a chance to pick Bernie again in the 2020 primaries. And did not show up. It sucks cause I voted Bernie 2016 and 2020. But the reality is swing states are where the election is won. And swing states skew moderate.
Again, the primary is not the general. Are the people who voted Biden here going to not vote for the dem candidate? Would some of the Bernie voters going to vote dem who wouldn’t vote for Biden? Talking about the primary in reference to the general isn’t very useful.
Whatever they decide, they’re going to put a lot of thought and money into picking the smartest option. If they go Harris AOC, I’m willing to bet that they knew it’d get the most votes.
The entire fucking point of the primary process is to pick the candidate more people said they’d vote for in the general.
Ignoring the results of that process is what got us Hillary. Who the DNC also assumed would get the most votes. Just like you’re making assumptions now without any supporting reasons other than opinion and hope.
TBF, she did actually get the most votes. She was still a disaster candidate.
Which is exactly what I’m getting at. She won the popular vote. By a lot. Dropped the ball in swing states. Lost the election because you win through the EC.
A ticket popular on the coasts and only popular there is gambling with losing the EC again. AOC isn’t nearly as popular as people here are suggesting. Harris will have tough odds to beat Trump.
A Harris/AOC ticket isn’t going to do well in swing states. It only plays well to states that are already solid blue.
The primary is for engaged people to decide which candidate they want, not to pick the candidate that is best for the general necessarily. That’s always one of the talking points candidates need to appeal to, but it isn’t the only factor, or even always a major factor. For example, Trump was selected for the Republicans in 2016, and he almost certainly wasn’t the “best” candidate.
I think and goddamm I hope I am wrong they are about to push Hillary back on us agaun. I heard she started making moves to come back out in the public and wonder what’s behind this.
They think we will be desperate enough that we will vote for her over Trump and they aren’t fucking far off. But Harris can’t win.
There’s no way they’d put the person who lost to Trump and made him president back on the ballot lmao
She may think she has a shot at it, or “deserves” it, who knows what’s going on in her brain. But there’s just absolutely no way she’ll ever end up on this ballot.
But but but it’s her turn!
That would be the stupidest move in the history of stupid political moves. Drop old-as-fuck candidate who beat Trump before, replace him with old-as-fuck candidate who lost to Trump.
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