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      Everyone in Europe killing each other every generation predates capitalism. Capitalism did increase the scale though; after the fall of the western roman empire, we didn’t see armies of that size until Napoleon managed to draft a million men in a country of 30 million.

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        Lmfao, sorry (not sorry), I should have included feudalists too I guess, to avoid bootlicking pedants… 🙄

        The point stands - war is waged for profit by profiteers, not by random civilians trying to live their lives, always was, always will be.

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          One exception to it : fascists managed to convince people who can only lose stuff to a war that it’s good for them too.

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            One exception to it : fascists capitalists managed to convince people who can only lose stuff to a war that it’s good for them too.

            Fascism is capitalism in decay, there is no exception.

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              I’d say facsism is just capitalism when you try to say no.

              As in literally, people tried to say no via socialism and then fascism was invented.

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        He already said capitalists, state capitalism is still capitalism, no matter if you call it communism.

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          Calling something state capitalist when capitalism heavily relies on the state by default shows you need to hit the books on how capitalism actually functions.

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              Perhaps you should read theory. The USSR was State Capitalist with respect to the NEP, but was Socialist for its entire existence

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                  I can only read 2 pages from what you linked, and am not paying 40 dollars to read the rest, certainly not when they already display a gross oversimplification and anti-Marxist definition of Capitalism (critically leaving out competition, Capital accumulation, and so forth), and therefore take a vulgar revisionist stance. There’s no analysis of class dynamics, just an over-reliance on the presense of Wage Labor.

                  Please read theory, I can make recommendations for the basics if you’d like.

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                    There’s no analysis of class dynamics

                    We do not think there was a struggle between capitalism and communism across the twentieth century. For us, communism never ended in that century because it never arose there. Our conclusion is built on the fact that communism –if understood as a distinct, non-capitalist class structure– was neither a significant, nor a sustained part of the history of any of the nations conventionally labeled communist.

                    emphasis mine, their entire argument is based on the fact that the USSR lacked the class dynamics of communism, thus weren’t communist.

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        Lol, you mean the state capitalists? You’re not making the (weak, “whatabout”) point you think you are, but hey, your confidence in your wilful ignorance in defence of those exploiting you for profit* is almost impressive! (but not really) 🙄😂

        *E: and guess what, I don’t even need to know where you live to say this, because every working class person on the planet is currently being exploited for profit through both labour and war, but don’t let that get in the way of the bootlicking you’ve come here to do in self-destructive defence of your beloved capitalism (I threw up in my mouth a little)…

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          Calling something state capitalist when capitalism heavily relies on the state by default shows you need to hit the books on how capitalism actually functions.

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            Pretending something that was never stateless, classless, and moneyless but rather quite the fucking opposite (E: and was never going to end up there, either) was communism, shows you need to hit the books on how communism is actually intended to function.

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              The USSR never pretended it was Stateless, Classless, or Moneyless.

              You have no clue what you’re talking about, how Communism is “supposed” to function, how Marx, Engels, Lenin, and so forth believed it to come into function, or how the USSR functioned.

              If you want basics on how the USSR functioned, I can recommend some books, or if you want a basic intro of Marxism I can recommend some works as well.

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              I didn’t call it communism, and neither did the ruling communist parties. Transitional socialism is the proper word.