• Barbarian
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      This period of war in Eastern Europe is pretty shit and I would like Western Europe to take it more seriously, thx

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        Western Europe getting involved could be so much worse.

        Let’s remind ourselves you fight for your country, we on the other hand have nuclear weapons and rising fascism all over…

        So in account of humanity thanks for keeping Russia’s shit out.

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          FYI, I’m not Ukrainian. I’m Romanian. We have more skin in the game than Germany or France though. If Ukraine falls, Moldova falls 24 hours later, and allowing our brother country to go back under Russian domination is pretty unthinkable.

          Even without that existential issue, allowing democratically minded Europeans trying to walk the same path we walked 25 years ago get invaded by Russia without as much help as we can give them seems horrific to me.

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            To be clear i agree.

            I do feel for the Russian people that will suffer Putin’s decisions, but i personally wouldn’t concede one bit of Ukrainian soil to that fucker.

            I wish my country was helping. That said, as a French without any skin in the game, let me tell you we don’t even have skin in our own games. (If you followed any news of us you know)

            It’s not like any of us are ever being asked what to do. And I do genuinely fear our so called democracies are gonna implode. And when they do, diplomacy with Russia will get bad for everyone.

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      That’s because the EU was created with the purpose of making an interconnected market where going to war is simply way too costly.

      As the other commenter said, there is a war in Europe though.

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      This period of peace in Western Europe

      France: “We haven’t gone to war with Germany in decades!”

      Me: “What about Libya?”

      France: …

      Me: “Algeria? Argentina? Rwanda? The Ivory Coast? Somalia? Chad? Basque Country? Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia?”

      France: sound of FAMAS F1 cocking

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        Achtually the french army doesn’t use FAMAS anymore and they replaced them with german made HK416.

        Not gonna argue about the rest though

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          First Elsass-Lothringen, now Heckler & Koch… when are they going to stop taking our stuff?

          (Yes, I know the actual history is more complex. I’m just memeing.)

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      American Economics Professor: “We pulled ourselves out of the Great Depression by entering WW2”

      American Economics Student: “I can’t afford my car payment and my rent just doubled. When can we re-invade the South Pacific?”

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        And nothing to do with those pesky socialist reforms of the new deal. No this social reforms ruined everything! Must kill for equity!

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          In fairness, if you get under the hood of the New Deal benefits, they relieved a lot of immediate suffering and mobilized a workforce that had been functionally abandoned by the private sector.

          But they didn’t “grow the economy” in the same way as the enormous investment in the Military Industrial Complex achieved. The Citizens Conservation Corps and the Social Security Administration didn’t create the kind of high paying engineering and manufacturing jobs that state demand for thousands of new tanks and ships achieved.

          WW2 full mobilization of the economy wasn’t just taking in the slack of a depressed market. It was a command economy in all but name, dictating every aspect of the industrial chain, from extraction to expenditure to recovery and recycling.

          The tragedy of WW2 is that we could only permit this kind of logistical achievement for the purpose of joining a bloodbath in Europe, North Africa, and East Asia. As soon as Roosevelt passed, Truman began reprivatizing the economy as quickly as possible.

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            Yeah that’s fair. But the works and practice in mobilizing the workforce in the new deal played a big part in the US having industrial capability prior to WWII. Not mentioning other logistics, the power grid improvement alone may have made the difference in the war effort even being possible for the US. After the war private industry continued to benefit from cheap energy coming from those same projects. Hell if there’s a miuntain range in your state you’re almost certainly getting some of your power from a hydro plant made in the 30’s.

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              But the works and practice in mobilizing the workforce in the new deal played a big part in the US having industrial capability prior to WWII.

              Hard to power the 1940s industrial economy without coal. And hard to generate coal without an electrification of the Tennessee Valley. Without a doubt.

              Hell if there’s a miuntain range in your state you’re almost certainly getting some of your power from a hydro plant made in the 30’s.

              Given his attitude towards public works, it’s very funny that Hoover has the nation’s largest dam named after him.

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                There’s also the west coast. The damming of the Columbia, while a natural disaster, made the region viable for manufacture and ship building. In some ways it lead to the possibility for the tech industry as well for better or worse.

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      I wish. Our students are kittens compared to European students. The police are going to riot anyways, stop bringing the kid’s gloves.

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      Yes, we have decades between (direct involvement in) wars!!
      We didn’t even spend actual money on war stuff the last few decades.

      But we sure are gonna do it now, we need to protect our drinking water (for the coming water wars) and update our firewalls (for the coming Skynet wars).

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      Everyone in Europe killing each other every generation predates capitalism. Capitalism did increase the scale though; after the fall of the western roman empire, we didn’t see armies of that size until Napoleon managed to draft a million men in a country of 30 million.

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        Lmfao, sorry (not sorry), I should have included feudalists too I guess, to avoid bootlicking pedants… 🙄

        The point stands - war is waged for profit by profiteers, not by random civilians trying to live their lives, always was, always will be.

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          One exception to it : fascists managed to convince people who can only lose stuff to a war that it’s good for them too.

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            One exception to it : fascists capitalists managed to convince people who can only lose stuff to a war that it’s good for them too.

            Fascism is capitalism in decay, there is no exception.

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              I’d say facsism is just capitalism when you try to say no.

              As in literally, people tried to say no via socialism and then fascism was invented.

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        He already said capitalists, state capitalism is still capitalism, no matter if you call it communism.

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        Lol, you mean the state capitalists? You’re not making the (weak, “whatabout”) point you think you are, but hey, your confidence in your wilful ignorance in defence of those exploiting you for profit* is almost impressive! (but not really) 🙄😂

        *E: and guess what, I don’t even need to know where you live to say this, because every working class person on the planet is currently being exploited for profit through both labour and war, but don’t let that get in the way of the bootlicking you’ve come here to do in self-destructive defence of your beloved capitalism (I threw up in my mouth a little)…

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          Calling something state capitalist when capitalism heavily relies on the state by default shows you need to hit the books on how capitalism actually functions.

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            Pretending something that was never stateless, classless, and moneyless but rather quite the fucking opposite (E: and was never going to end up there, either) was communism, shows you need to hit the books on how communism is actually intended to function.

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              I didn’t call it communism, and neither did the ruling communist parties. Transitional socialism is the proper word.

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              The USSR never pretended it was Stateless, Classless, or Moneyless.

              You have no clue what you’re talking about, how Communism is “supposed” to function, how Marx, Engels, Lenin, and so forth believed it to come into function, or how the USSR functioned.

              If you want basics on how the USSR functioned, I can recommend some books, or if you want a basic intro of Marxism I can recommend some works as well.

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      Yeah but at least we limit ours to small scale atrocities committed by civilians, and not all-out civil war. And proxy wars. And not-a-war-wars. And helping others with their own wars genocides.

      Fuck. Nevermind I guess.

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      It’s US English I think …

      The other one that I notice is “write your representative”, instead of “write to your representative”