• goatOPM
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    1 month ago

    And what will this justice be? Because the post is saying a massacre.

    I think it’s pretty telling you were advocating for violence, and now you’re forced to backtrack.

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      I wasn’t advocating for anything, I was answering the question about why they were angry with the french.

      And what will this justice be?

      If it were me, i’d say the west should face international sanction and prosecution in the Hague for all leaders/diplomats accused of willfully collaborating with a genocide. Of course, a western-controlled criminal court would never do such a thing, so I guess all we have is BDS and public protest.

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        1 month ago

        You italicised something. Implying violence as per the post.

        International sanctions? How would that even work? You can’t sanction over half the world, let alone prosecute them. Why does New Zealand get sanctioned? Why Europe? Why Canada? What about countries that are collaborating in the Ukraine-Russia war? How about congo?

        This is a fantasy

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          I italicized something because I believe the west (including France, in this case) does deserve some kind of punishment for their crimes against Palestine. Obviously I don’t think countries who had nothing to do with this genocide need be punished, but at this point much of the western world has enabled it either by direct material contribution or by a failure to boycott, divest, or sanction Israel for their crimes.

          It’s not up to me to decide what that justice is or how it’s administered, but I don’t think there’s any arguing that there shouldn’t be some measure of justice for Palestine. Unless you believe Israel has done nothing wrong…?

          This is a fantasy

          Yup, that’s all we have, because as you alluded to: this is the west’s global hegemony, we’re just living in it.

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            1 month ago

            And how about Iran, China and Russia? Do they also get this punishment?

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              Sorry, maybe I’m unfamiliar: how are they involved in Israel’s genocide…? Or is that off-topic?

              But funny you should mention three of the most sanctioned countries in the world as examples, because what I’m advocating for is just a bit of consistency

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                Should they also get punishment for their crimes against Palestine? Such as Iran aiding Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah, effectively instigating more war? And China and Russia’s support of Iran and their mutual exchange of military equipment, intelligence, as well as their extensive propaganda networks?

                Or is that off-topic?

                Vaguely off-topic, yes, the post is related more to the tankies wishing more Charlie Hebdo massacres, which I’m glad you’ve disavowed. However, their calls for violence are in reaction to Israel-Palestine. For some reason, they believe France, of all countries, deserves massacres for their stance. Rather funny really, shows their ignorance.

                Do you believe this is off-topic? If you think it is, we can drop it.

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                  Should they also get punishment for their crimes against Palestine? Such as Iran aiding Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah, effectively instigating more war?

                  They are already being sanctioned for this. Meanwhile, the parties currently committing genocide and all of their collaborators have yet to see any repercussions for their contributions. Hell, as long as we’re talking about Iran and the funding of terrorists, would you like to talk about the US funding and providing arms during the Kurdish-genocide? I wonder who (if anyone) was sanctioned for that conflict

                  Do you believe this is off-topic?

                  I believe your mention of Iran, China, and Russia is off-topic from the OP, which was about France and the openly racist/islamaphobic cartoon depicting the famine in Gaza. I can only imagine why you might be actively avoiding that topic, even going so far as to clip out the main post and obfuscate the context, including describing the french OP as “anti-Islam”.

                  I can only assume that omission was an innocent mistake and not in any way motivated by a personal bias against Islam.

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                    They are already being sanctioned for this.

                    These countries have also sanctioned the US, though not in response to the conflict. Sanctions work both ways, you see. However, multiple countries have called for sanctions against Israel and multiple countries have placed tariffs on Israel, Turkey being the most prominent. So there we go, then, justice solved, there’s sanctions and tariffs.

                    I can only imagine why you might be actively avoiding that topic, even going so far as to clip out the main post and obfuscate the context, including describing the french OP as “anti-Islam”.

                    No context justifies calls for violence.