In the hours following former President Donald Trump’s election victory, Google searches related to 4B — a fringe South Korean feminist movement that made a name for itself in the mid to late 2010s — surged in the United States.

  • GHiLA
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    4 days ago

    I don’t think it’s different enough from the norm to effect anything. Do you think men will even notice?

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      4 days ago

      Yes?? They’ve clearly been noticing and acting out??

      We are very much in the ’ village burning down ’ part of “A child shunned by its village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”

      • LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
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        They were acting out before though. The 4B movement is a response to the abuse.

        This is what’s happening, and if you really want to understand it I recommend the book “Controlling People,” by Patricia Evans:

        • Man abuses woman because he feels loved when he violates her boundaries (instead of showing love by respecting boundaries in a healthy relationship)
        • She asserts boundaries (a limit on her own self) as part of the human condition
        • He then amplifies abuse to punish her for breaking from his control and for having boundaries, because it made him feel too separate and not enmeshed, which causes attachment wounds

        They are mad they can’t literally abuse us into submission like Andrew Tate claims. They are mad we aren’t stupid and easy to manipulate, like they’d been lead to believe. They are jealous of beauty and happiness because they are so miserable because men lack community that is kind to women. And that’s all of ya’lls fault. Instead you made manipulative PUA groups.

        They will keep amplifying their abuse, like literally all abusers (see: Why Does He Do That?) until we are dead or they are in jail. It doesn’t even matter if we behave “well,” all that matters to them is that we feed their ego of control and entitlement over us.

        No. You don’t have to do that so neither will I.

        Why don’t you warm up that guy yourself? A hole is a hole, right? Why don’t you suck off these on the fence guys to win them over? I’m sure there are plenty of bi and gay ones you can convince.

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          4 days ago

          Ah yes, because women can’t be abusive.

          The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now. If people like you continue to neglect the conditions that lead to young men being brainwashed by red pill, manosphere bullshit - things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better.

          I don’t really care to read anything that paints men as abusive controllers. I’m interested in making things better, not making things worse.

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            3 days ago

            If people like you continue to neglect the conditions that lead to young men being brainwashed by red pill, manosphere bullshit

            What are you doing for this? Show me some screenshots from socials of your work there. I’ll accept even 1 comment in the last 2 weeks of you reaching out to a fellow guy debunking redpill content.

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              3 days ago

              Remember, when Trump’s Youth doesn’t seem to be getting any weaker with each passing year - you did your part.

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                Wait so you can’t post any proof, not even a comment you made on social, of you speaking to a fellow man about redpill or manosphere content, to specifically stop them from being rightwing?

                You can scroll through my entire comment history and can find me educating men about feminism constantly for free. Talk about unpaid women’s labor. It’s not me who didn’t do the work.

                Yet again blaming women for the abuse of men. Literal victim blaming. Nice. Have you thought about how your actions drive women away?

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        Yes, because being part of the majority voting for Trump is clearly the same as being shunned. Women should just give up their bodies to these disgusting creatures for the good of the country ./s

        • Jax
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          4 days ago

          The crux of the issue presents itself.

          The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now. You want to help create more MAGATs? Keep ignoring young men and the problems they have.

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            You want to help create more MAGATs? Keep ignoring young men and the problems they have.

            What are out of power left-leaning women supposed to do to fix the problems with these losers? They voted for the “we have problems and we’re being ignored” party after listening to bro podcasts all day and they will now control three branches of government.

            Why is it ok for in power politicians to continually ignore the needs of the people voting for them? Why does nobody notice how “men’s problems” continue even as the spiteful fucks they vote for have massive amounts of power?

            Fixing young men isn’t up to childless, left leaning, powerless women.

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              No, they’re blaming the Democratic party and its online advocates for not taking young men seriously as a voting demographic

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                3 days ago

                No, read their comment. They think women should fuck progressive men to stop them from becoming right wing.

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                  No, that’s a very naive and simplistic way of reading this thread. Jax’s comment

                  […] You want to help create more MAGATs? Keep ignoring young men and the problems they have.

                  Wasn’t supporting the literal suggestion that “women should just give up their bodies to these disgusting creatures for the good of the country,” it was regarding Eatspancakes84’s dismissive attitude towards the genuine problems that young men face.

                  Problems that, I will add, the Republican party will not fix. Voters are stupid though, and vote based on vibes. If the vibe of one side is “I don’t give a shit about you,” and the vibe of the other side is “you matter and your problems are valid,” the average voter is more likely to vote for the latter, if at all.

                  I’ll also add that women do in fact face more problems than men. Your rights are being eroded much faster than ours. My discussion of how to convince men to vote for our side should not be interpreted as dismissal of women’s issues. All I’m saying (and it is all that I’m saying) is that we need to avoid situations where apathetic or conservative men see our comments and think we don’t give a shit about them. Not because I want to protect the feelings of conservative men, but because we needed their votes, and we will need their votes to prevent another Trump win.

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                    What about your dismissive attitudes towards women and how it drives them away? What about the problems men refuse to fix that women bring up?

                    You are catering to men who want to enslave us. I recommend the book “Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist.” It will show you that it’s pointless to cater to them. They were always going to be hostile.

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      4 days ago

      Well no, obviously. This movement has members numbering in the thousands. There may be two people in my city actually trying to live by it