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You’re saying that no sane PoC would vote for Trump, when a significant number of PoC voted for him. That sounds a lot like you’re saying their perspective is invalid and they need to adopt your perspective. Hence, it follows the noble savage trope.
Have you ever wondered why they would vote for someone who openly says racist things?
The noble savage trope is about the supposed moral and physical superiority of people living in a natural, pre-industrial environment. It simply doesn’t apply.
Do I think that people who vote for trump have an invalid perspective? Yes I do. Do they need to adopt my perspective? There are lots of people I don’t agree with who don’t support fascism. I am not such a believer in moral relativism to think that anyone is above criticism for their political opinions.
You didn’t answer my question, have you ever (honestly) wondered why PoC would vote for Trump over a Democrat? You have every right to criticize them, but it doesn’t sound like you’ve put any thought into why they disagree with you. The result is you will say things that alienate and dehumanize them, which is counterproductive.
Fair enough. Here is my take on why a person might vote for trump (aside from bigotry, hatred of trans people, etc): I think some people consider a Trump vote a protest vote. The condition of many black people in America has been bad under both democrats and republicans (though for the last several decades, republicans have been demonstrably worse). Institutional racism is real, and people are angry about the status quo. I think many people feel like both democrats and establishment republicans have failed them, and voting for an outsider might be a way to shake up the system. However, as a protest vote, Trump is a poor choice. He is the apotheosis of white privilege. He was born rich. His family business was notorious for discriminating against black people (both under DJT and his father). His own family members have warned the public that Trump is racist towards black people. His comments and actions during his first term are not consistent with a leader who wants to help people of colour. Trump is definitely shaking things up, but it won’t be in a way that benefits anyone but straight white Christians of means.
I agree that alienating and dehumanizing voters can be counterproductive in a democracy. If democrats want to win next time, they have to persuade some portion of non-voting and republican-voting Americans to vote democrat instead. There are many methods of persuasion, though - and not all people are amenable to all forms of persuasion. No one likes to feel foolish, and surely some people who voted for Trump are feeling a bit foolish right now. Pointing out ironic examples like this guy who supported Trump and is gradually learning to regret his decision might have some merit.
Thanks, I honestly want expecting that kind of a response.
I’m sure there are some who voted out of protest, but only someone who identifies as a Democrat/leftist would vote for Trump out off protest.
Another reason I’ve heard is that Trump doesn’t try to hide his bad side. Democrat (read: neoliberal) policies tend to favor corporations over individuals, and homeowners over renters. Guess which race is more likely to own home and have a stock portfolio?
You’re saying that no sane PoC would vote for Trump, when a significant number of PoC voted for him. That sounds a lot like you’re saying their perspective is invalid and they need to adopt your perspective. Hence, it follows the noble savage trope.
Have you ever wondered why they would vote for someone who openly says racist things?
The noble savage trope is about the supposed moral and physical superiority of people living in a natural, pre-industrial environment. It simply doesn’t apply. Do I think that people who vote for trump have an invalid perspective? Yes I do. Do they need to adopt my perspective? There are lots of people I don’t agree with who don’t support fascism. I am not such a believer in moral relativism to think that anyone is above criticism for their political opinions.
You didn’t answer my question, have you ever (honestly) wondered why PoC would vote for Trump over a Democrat? You have every right to criticize them, but it doesn’t sound like you’ve put any thought into why they disagree with you. The result is you will say things that alienate and dehumanize them, which is counterproductive.
Fair enough. Here is my take on why a person might vote for trump (aside from bigotry, hatred of trans people, etc): I think some people consider a Trump vote a protest vote. The condition of many black people in America has been bad under both democrats and republicans (though for the last several decades, republicans have been demonstrably worse). Institutional racism is real, and people are angry about the status quo. I think many people feel like both democrats and establishment republicans have failed them, and voting for an outsider might be a way to shake up the system. However, as a protest vote, Trump is a poor choice. He is the apotheosis of white privilege. He was born rich. His family business was notorious for discriminating against black people (both under DJT and his father). His own family members have warned the public that Trump is racist towards black people. His comments and actions during his first term are not consistent with a leader who wants to help people of colour. Trump is definitely shaking things up, but it won’t be in a way that benefits anyone but straight white Christians of means.
I agree that alienating and dehumanizing voters can be counterproductive in a democracy. If democrats want to win next time, they have to persuade some portion of non-voting and republican-voting Americans to vote democrat instead. There are many methods of persuasion, though - and not all people are amenable to all forms of persuasion. No one likes to feel foolish, and surely some people who voted for Trump are feeling a bit foolish right now. Pointing out ironic examples like this guy who supported Trump and is gradually learning to regret his decision might have some merit.
Thanks, I honestly want expecting that kind of a response.
I’m sure there are some who voted out of protest, but only someone who identifies as a Democrat/leftist would vote for Trump out off protest.
Another reason I’ve heard is that Trump doesn’t try to hide his bad side. Democrat (read: neoliberal) policies tend to favor corporations over individuals, and homeowners over renters. Guess which race is more likely to own home and have a stock portfolio?