What’s infuriating here? You almost never get a reason why you have been declined (if they even answer you). So I find this message pretty nice and polite… Or am I overlooking something?
I think the requested salary amount plays a big role. If a typical 100k annual role was rejected on salary misalignments despite requesting 60k, I would be much more critical of the company.
I know you recently moved. Have you considered the pay is lower because the benefits are higher? In the UK they have universal healthcare which means that part of your salary which used to go to healthcare is now not needed. Perhaps that’s why they gave you a lower offer than you’re used to in american wages?
If the pay is lower than £30,000 a year, I can’t get a family visa for my wife and daughter.
Meanwhile, a recruited told me I should be asking for £50,000 a year.
And if you look at how much rents are even in the outskirts of London, I think you will find that low amount of pay is not going to let you have much of a life.
I probably shouldn’t be doing as lowball an offer as possible, but I’m getting pretty anxious about getting a job because time is trickling away, as is money.
I hear that. Are there recruiters in your field you can utilize?
I’m facing eviction because my job (uber driver) isn’t paying enough, seemingly no matter how many hours I work. Got a call from the landlord who said they were gonna go ahead and set up a court date for the eviction.
I have and am, thank you. Not just in my area. I spent the weekend contacting every recruiter in the UK I could find that would help me. It’s taken a while to do something that active because I’ve been getting settled and dealing with basic stuff, bureaucracy, etc. But I did get a couple of calls later in the day yesterday from recruiters, so that’s a positive.
Have you considered the pay is lower because the benefits are higher? In the UK they have universal healthcare which means that part of your salary which used to go to healthcare is now not needed.
Bro I’m not even from the UK I’m from Spain where wages are lower in technical fields and all your “benefits” are the bare minimum any job offers. You then need to offer stuff like remote work, flexible pay, flexible hours, restaurant ticket and more for me to consider a lower wage.
I’m on a technical field and 30k€ would be the bare minimum I would ask for a job after having like 2 years of experience.
Not even trying to negotiate from 30k means they are asking lower than 25k and that’s laughable low for a tech job.
And I’m in Spain, one of the cheapest European countries regarding tech work pay.
The unfortunate truth is while it’s skilled, it’s also a high demand industry which people want to work in. That means there’s an endless supply of bright eyed youngsters willing to do it for pennies while living at their parents (low expenses), and thus plenty of companies willing to abuse them. Another comment points out they’ll be looking for another in 3 months times and that’s probably accurate. At some point these companies realise “damn, maybe having to train up a newbie 3 times a year and having consistently shitty output because of it isn’t that great after all, maybe we should hire someone worth their salt even if they cost us more” and that’s where proper positions become available, but you have to find them.
I feel like the numbers matter here. I recently moved jobs and the posted salary was the full range for the role. The hiring range is a narrower slice of that range. The range below the hiring target is internal development space. The space above is …well they don’t want to use it. They want a couple years of salary increase to keep you from immediately starting your next job search I think. lol.
They didn’t give a salary range. That was part of the problem. They just asked me what my salary would be. I said £30,000 a year. For a job in fucking London that requires technical experience. Meaning I would have a good 90 minute commute from anywhere I could hope to live.
I recently moved jobs and the posted salary was the full range for the role.
The salary range should always be changing with inflation and cost of living. That most likely means that being hired at the lower band of the range means you are going to stay at that part of the hiring range. If not, it means hitting the top end after a few years is a ceiling and you were probably being underpaid the whole time.
I was a civil servant. The hiring bands were pretty wide well defined there, at least for technical specialists like yours truly. The 50-60% of max range is considered developmental and would normally be given to an internal candidate who was being groomed as part of a succession plan. 60-80% is the sweet spot, and they will go to 90% for an exceptional candidate. Only once in my career did I negotiate 100% of max - and it was because I was taking a pay cut in the new role. I was changing jurisdictions because I was ( and still am) in love.
What’s infuriating here? You almost never get a reason why you have been declined (if they even answer you). So I find this message pretty nice and polite… Or am I overlooking something?
100% this. This is pretty classy. We are typically told to not even contact external candidates. HR will send them the impersonal notice.
I think the requested salary amount plays a big role. If a typical 100k annual role was rejected on salary misalignments despite requesting 60k, I would be much more critical of the company.
I was asking for £30,000 a year. I don’t think that’s unreasonable for a professional position.
Holy shit that’s low. I was asking for £35k in 2004 for a technical role. They wanted to pay 17.
That’s a very reasonable salary request
I know you recently moved. Have you considered the pay is lower because the benefits are higher? In the UK they have universal healthcare which means that part of your salary which used to go to healthcare is now not needed. Perhaps that’s why they gave you a lower offer than you’re used to in american wages?
If the pay is lower than £30,000 a year, I can’t get a family visa for my wife and daughter.
Meanwhile, a recruited told me I should be asking for £50,000 a year.
And if you look at how much rents are even in the outskirts of London, I think you will find that low amount of pay is not going to let you have much of a life.
My gut tells me you should ask for $35k.
In my experience, lots of employers (American that is) have offered me a thousand or two less than my request during offers.
I probably shouldn’t be doing as lowball an offer as possible, but I’m getting pretty anxious about getting a job because time is trickling away, as is money.
I hear that. Are there recruiters in your field you can utilize?
I’m facing eviction because my job (uber driver) isn’t paying enough, seemingly no matter how many hours I work. Got a call from the landlord who said they were gonna go ahead and set up a court date for the eviction.
I have and am, thank you. Not just in my area. I spent the weekend contacting every recruiter in the UK I could find that would help me. It’s taken a while to do something that active because I’ve been getting settled and dealing with basic stuff, bureaucracy, etc. But I did get a couple of calls later in the day yesterday from recruiters, so that’s a positive.
Bro I’m not even from the UK I’m from Spain where wages are lower in technical fields and all your “benefits” are the bare minimum any job offers. You then need to offer stuff like remote work, flexible pay, flexible hours, restaurant ticket and more for me to consider a lower wage.
I’m on a technical field and 30k€ would be the bare minimum I would ask for a job after having like 2 years of experience.
Not even trying to negotiate from 30k means they are asking lower than 25k and that’s laughable low for a tech job.
And I’m in Spain, one of the cheapest European countries regarding tech work pay.
Agree, 30k €/£/chf is very low.
I’ve never worked nor lived in London but it is a capital, it should be at least 50k.
In Switzerland we would have something around 75 to 120k chf according to specific details (industry, experience, location etc).
30k a year is like working at Tesco pay, mate
“Junior Video Editor” sounds like it should command a higher price tag than cashiering.
The unfortunate truth is while it’s skilled, it’s also a high demand industry which people want to work in. That means there’s an endless supply of bright eyed youngsters willing to do it for pennies while living at their parents (low expenses), and thus plenty of companies willing to abuse them. Another comment points out they’ll be looking for another in 3 months times and that’s probably accurate. At some point these companies realise “damn, maybe having to train up a newbie 3 times a year and having consistently shitty output because of it isn’t that great after all, maybe we should hire someone worth their salt even if they cost us more” and that’s where proper positions become available, but you have to find them.
I feel like the numbers matter here. I recently moved jobs and the posted salary was the full range for the role. The hiring range is a narrower slice of that range. The range below the hiring target is internal development space. The space above is …well they don’t want to use it. They want a couple years of salary increase to keep you from immediately starting your next job search I think. lol.
They didn’t give a salary range. That was part of the problem. They just asked me what my salary would be. I said £30,000 a year. For a job in fucking London that requires technical experience. Meaning I would have a good 90 minute commute from anywhere I could hope to live.
And that still wasn’t low enough.
That’s actually insane.
I wonder if they’ve just sent out a generic rejection without checking it.
That is a possibility I hadn’t considered.
They probably want single people that live ten to a flat and can afford to work for 30,000 a year.
That’s who they’ll get.
The salary range should always be changing with inflation and cost of living. That most likely means that being hired at the lower band of the range means you are going to stay at that part of the hiring range. If not, it means hitting the top end after a few years is a ceiling and you were probably being underpaid the whole time.
I was a civil servant. The hiring bands were pretty wide well defined there, at least for technical specialists like yours truly. The 50-60% of max range is considered developmental and would normally be given to an internal candidate who was being groomed as part of a succession plan. 60-80% is the sweet spot, and they will go to 90% for an exceptional candidate. Only once in my career did I negotiate 100% of max - and it was because I was taking a pay cut in the new role. I was changing jurisdictions because I was ( and still am) in love.