I kinda get it. Money usually equals a degree of stability of service. And people value that when switching from something they considered stable.
You gotta realize, some of the people that wanted to leave reddit in 23 and heard about lemmy, they asked some version of “but what if the person running the instance closes it?”. They don’t see the equivalence that if reddit was essentially shutting down parts of its service, that it was no better. Or that it doesn’t really matter because you just switch to a new instance if you can’t run your own. Nobody should be relying on a third party as their sole repository of whatever it is that they want to preserve in that regard either.
So, I get it. Discord is rarely down, and never for long. It’s ubiquitous. It isn’t anything like the kind of threaded forum reddit and lemmy are, but that’s not necessarily the primary goal of everyone that uses them.
A few months after Rexodus, Kbin.social shut down, and even before that dmv.social running Lemmy software did as well, due to the waves of CSAM (just prior to the automated protections) - here is their goodbye message. For non-technical people especially, it can be really worrisome to potentially lose out on everything that they have built when a server chooses to go down.
It’s not just that though: if you consider the needs of an actual content creator, even if not fully a self-styled “influencer” but like a step or two towards that I mean, they want to retain a method of keeping in contact with their followers. i.e. they want an address that people can bookmark and share with others, where they can remain reachable. Especially for X/Twitter migrating to Mastodon or Bluesky, but also for Reddit to Lemmy as well.
Coming to the Fediverse for them means having to learn how to self-host their own space. Which creative people tend to not want to do, even as technical people tend to be less creative in turn:-).
Ofc I’m not saying that Discord is a good answer to that issue - it’s decidedly not in fact, as it is not discoverable or searchable by the internet, and far worse in fact in requiring people to create an account and join a server to even see the content (iirc?). But I can see why they would at least consider it, when Lemmy’s stability is questionable to them.
Perhaps the best answer then would be to trot out the top 10-20 instances and report how many years they’ve remained open. Reddit itself was newer at some point, when people first switched to it.
Did reddit have influencers in the typical social media sense? I never noticed them in my communities. There were content creators obviously and some were more active sure, but still anonymous. Maybe some guerilla marketers but I don’t think the communities were generally driven by those the way other social media platforms are driven by influencers.
I kinda get it. Money usually equals a degree of stability of service. And people value that when switching from something they considered stable.
You gotta realize, some of the people that wanted to leave reddit in 23 and heard about lemmy, they asked some version of “but what if the person running the instance closes it?”. They don’t see the equivalence that if reddit was essentially shutting down parts of its service, that it was no better. Or that it doesn’t really matter because you just switch to a new instance if you can’t run your own. Nobody should be relying on a third party as their sole repository of whatever it is that they want to preserve in that regard either.
So, I get it. Discord is rarely down, and never for long. It’s ubiquitous. It isn’t anything like the kind of threaded forum reddit and lemmy are, but that’s not necessarily the primary goal of everyone that uses them.
A few months after Rexodus, Kbin.social shut down, and even before that dmv.social running Lemmy software did as well, due to the waves of CSAM (just prior to the automated protections) - here is their goodbye message. For non-technical people especially, it can be really worrisome to potentially lose out on everything that they have built when a server chooses to go down.
Yup, that’s why we guide them to better practices, or try to. Back-up, back-up back-up.
It’s a legit concern, but one with a legit solution.
It’s not just that though: if you consider the needs of an actual content creator, even if not fully a self-styled “influencer” but like a step or two towards that I mean, they want to retain a method of keeping in contact with their followers. i.e. they want an address that people can bookmark and share with others, where they can remain reachable. Especially for X/Twitter migrating to Mastodon or Bluesky, but also for Reddit to Lemmy as well.
Coming to the Fediverse for them means having to learn how to self-host their own space. Which creative people tend to not want to do, even as technical people tend to be less creative in turn:-).
Ofc I’m not saying that Discord is a good answer to that issue - it’s decidedly not in fact, as it is not discoverable or searchable by the internet, and far worse in fact in requiring people to create an account and join a server to even see the content (iirc?). But I can see why they would at least consider it, when Lemmy’s stability is questionable to them.
Perhaps the best answer then would be to trot out the top 10-20 instances and report how many years they’ve remained open. Reddit itself was newer at some point, when people first switched to it.
Did reddit have influencers in the typical social media sense? I never noticed them in my communities. There were content creators obviously and some were more active sure, but still anonymous. Maybe some guerilla marketers but I don’t think the communities were generally driven by those the way other social media platforms are driven by influencers.