• @EmoDuck
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      6811 months ago

      Probably because rejoining now means it’ll be on very different terms. Luxuries like keeping the Pound would go away

      • @[email protected]
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        511 months ago

        While the UK had a bunch of luxuries, keeping the pound wasn’t one of them. Eurozone != EU

        • @[email protected]
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          6011 months ago

          Every EU member is obliged to join the eurozone. The EU members who have not yet done so are still to meet the convergence criteria, with the only exception being Denmark who obtained a special exemption (along with the UK) during the negotiation of the original Maastricht treaty.

          On the flipside, although Sweden is technically obliged to join the eurozone eventually, it has avoided doing so by intentionally not fulfilling the convergence criteria (by not joining ERM2). Most political parties in Sweden acknowledge it would be in everyone’s best interest to join but a national referendum rejected the euro in 2003. The EU seems content to let them do whatever for the time being, so maybe the UK could chart a similar course if it were to rejoin, hypothetically.

          • @[email protected]
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            I’m convinced that a new Swedish vote today would have a different outcome. Lots has happened in 20 years. The SEK sucks right now as well.

            • @[email protected]
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              110 months ago

              I think if the EU could agree to allow national motifs on the obverse side of the banknotes as well it would become a no-brainer for sweden to adopt the euro, that feels like the major blocker for the average swede, we like our motifs.

              And it just feels somewhat silly to not allow it anyways, surely if it’s okay to have national motifs on the coins then it should be fine on bank notes? And it’s in the spirit of the EU.

    • @gravitas_deficiency
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      3811 months ago

      Honestly, an overwhelming percentage of that 40% are likely old racist people.

    • Throwaway
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      2511 months ago

      You forget not everyone bothers with the news.

        • Throwaway
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          -3511 months ago

          Thing is, not all facts are true. And once you think you’re being lied to, there’s little chance of being convinced otherwise.

            • @insomniac
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              1711 months ago

              Alternative facts!

            • JackGreenEarth
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              -111 months ago

              Something someone claims as a fact could actually be a lie. Eg, “72% of statements people make on the internet are false” is false, but sounds like a fact to those unaware.

          • enkers
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            2611 months ago

            Thing is, not all facts are true.

            That seems to be contrary to the standard definition of “fact”. Perhaps you meant to say:

            People aren’t always right when they state something as fact.

            • Throwaway
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              -1111 months ago

              Okay, to be pedantic, “not all things presented as fact are true”

    • @[email protected]
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      2211 months ago

      A lot of people don’t give a shit about anything but themselves.

      It’s easy to live in a posh Tory area and not feel the effects, or to be blissfully ignorant that some of the negatives in your life wouldn’t be there if we had EU backing.

        • @[email protected]
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          1010 months ago

          Off the top of my head:

          • Councils/areas that received EU funding that are now feeling the pinch, especially in areas like Wales.

          • The sheer number of job losses (see the Digby Jones Index for examples).

          • Reduced movement, and an inability to hire in some industries, with zero flexibility of movement elsewhere. While I’m all for trade deals with the US and Australia, they almost definitely won’t be allowing British citizens an easier time to move.

          Lots of these don’t particularly affect people in the South East, and in many places that were both Labour and Brexit strongholds, poverty and underfunding are the norm anyway, so it’s not like things getting “worse” are noticeable.

          There was a great article a while back called “the sociology of Brexit”. Sadly, I can’t find it any more, but it explained the above far better than I could, and indicated why many that voted to leave the EU wouldn’t change their mind, regardless of what happens.

            • @[email protected]
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              310 months ago

              I’d say they’re both. A competent government would ensure that we plug any gaps, and they would have already agreed trade deals with major nations that surpass what we already had with the EU in terms of free trade or movement. While I wouldn’t want to see the UK become the new Mexico of the US, I can see lots of British people happily performing seasonal and manual work in the US, and open markets for students to study in both countries.

              I’d strongly disagree when it comes to the top two points. They’re just not possible when Britain is such a tiny country. We shot ourselves in the foot when we left, because we had zero leverage against the EU.