Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza.

  • queermunist she/her
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    09 months ago

    People don’t think it’s true because it’s easy to lie. There’s no way to know these documents were made by Hamas, and they’d be very easy to fake now that they’ve had almost a week to tell us what they think Hamas’s strategy and tactics were. Now their narrative is “confirmed”.

    Very useful.

    • @idkwhatimdoing
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      9 months ago

      The narrative is confirmed by the videos and evidence, not by the documents. I don’t really understand your argument.

      • queermunist she/her
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        9 months ago

        Videos and evidence can be arranged and presented in a way to create a narrative. That doesn’t make the narrative true.

        Give me enough footage and evidence and I can “prove” Bush did 9/11. I just need to discard or downplay all the footage and evidence that is inconvenient, and overemphasize the footage and evidence that supports my narrative.

        • @idkwhatimdoing
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          This isn’t about proving a conspiracy or particular people’s involvement, though. It’s about what happened on the ground. Who was killed, by whom, where? Those are facts, independent of interpretation or agenda. The nature of the documents can be disputed, but the content of them sorta can’t be, given that it’s just what happened.

          It’s the difference between gathering videos to suggest it was Bush vs gathering videos to just show that, yes, the twin towers were hit. One is subject to both record and agenda, and the other is just historical record.

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            A lot of the “facts” turn out to be unsubstantiated, like the ‘40 beheaded babies’ story. We absolutely don’t have the facts.

            • @idkwhatimdoing
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              19 months ago

              Reuters and AP just confirmed a number of those videos, btw.

              • queermunist she/her
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                09 months ago

                I didn’t say all the facts were unsubstantiated?

                It’s like this: make some fake documents that match the known facts, and then in those documents include fake evidence to support “facts” that push an agenda.

                A document says “go to house A, take hostage, burn it down, eat the baby”. We know they went to the house, took a hostage, and burned it down. No baby was found, but the document says the baby was eaten so clearly it must have happened because the document is true.

                • @idkwhatimdoing
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                  19 months ago

                  That’s not what’s happening here. There are bodies and videos to verify what happened.

                  • queermunist she/her
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                    19 months ago

                    You can not know if the bodies and videos verify everything in those documents! There are doubtlessly things included in those documents that we wouldn’t otherwise think we knew without seeing them - which means the documents become the only evidence.