That’s the idea behind “articles” like these. Muddy the waters, make you doubt everything, even actual facts that have been verified. That way, you are much more vulnerable to misinformation by leveling the playing field between it and credible news.
Would it surprise you that the author of this text is a Russia apologist as well?
but its also hard to believe that the very limited window hamas had to cause maximum damage, they wasted on raping women instead.
also the guardian article mentioned said that bodies were burried quickly without performing rape tests because they didnt think rape crimes were commited at that time. So does that suggest rape victims were dressed up after rape ? Because obviously rape would be clear if you see murdered naked woman.
also the article is right when they said Israel lied before about hamas beheading babies so why should I believe them now.
There is unfortunately footage of sexual violence committed on October 7 out there, shared by the terrorists themselves. I would not recommend you to seek it, but it does exist. This is not fictional.
The Israeli government has made a point of showing footage of all kinds of other atrocities to journalists, including the murder of small children, but they deliberately chose not to share video evidence of rape, beyond a single photograph of a victim. It appears to be treated as a taboo, perhaps for legal reasons, which has led to outright denial by some. I am disappointed by the fact that no journalists I know of have done their job and examined and verified this footage that can be found in the darkest corners of the Internet. Even many communities in those places treat it as a taboo and explicitly ban any footage of sexual violence. It is probably for the best, but again, it enables denial.
This is about as close to it as you can get, mostly witness reports and discussions of material that shows the aftermath, but not the crime itself being committed (still NSFL):
I can say with absolute certainty that it happened, based on the evidence I have personally seen and wish I hadn’t seen. There is no way I could come to a different conclusion, unless I deliberately wanted to deny it.
I can also say with absolute certainty that because it was so widespread this was systematic. Sexual violence was used as a weapon of terror, not just the spontaneous actions of a few individuals.
I really dont know what to believe any more
That’s the idea behind “articles” like these. Muddy the waters, make you doubt everything, even actual facts that have been verified. That way, you are much more vulnerable to misinformation by leveling the playing field between it and credible news.
Would it surprise you that the author of this text is a Russia apologist as well?
but its also hard to believe that the very limited window hamas had to cause maximum damage, they wasted on raping women instead.
also the guardian article mentioned said that bodies were burried quickly without performing rape tests because they didnt think rape crimes were commited at that time. So does that suggest rape victims were dressed up after rape ? Because obviously rape would be clear if you see murdered naked woman.
also the article is right when they said Israel lied before about hamas beheading babies so why should I believe them now.
So thats the reason I dont trust either side
There is unfortunately footage of sexual violence committed on October 7 out there, shared by the terrorists themselves. I would not recommend you to seek it, but it does exist. This is not fictional.
i agree that it woukd be disturbing to watch and also am no expert to validate it.
is there a reputable news agency that make reference to these footages? Say BBC or the guardian ?
The Israeli government has made a point of showing footage of all kinds of other atrocities to journalists, including the murder of small children, but they deliberately chose not to share video evidence of rape, beyond a single photograph of a victim. It appears to be treated as a taboo, perhaps for legal reasons, which has led to outright denial by some. I am disappointed by the fact that no journalists I know of have done their job and examined and verified this footage that can be found in the darkest corners of the Internet. Even many communities in those places treat it as a taboo and explicitly ban any footage of sexual violence. It is probably for the best, but again, it enables denial.
This is about as close to it as you can get, mostly witness reports and discussions of material that shows the aftermath, but not the crime itself being committed (still NSFL):
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
In case of paywall:
https://web.archive.org/web/20231228171326/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
so you agree that evidence are not conclusive ? Like u cant say with absolute certainity that it did happen.
but also was it a horny hamas individual or was it systematic rape?
I can say with absolute certainty that it happened, based on the evidence I have personally seen and wish I hadn’t seen. There is no way I could come to a different conclusion, unless I deliberately wanted to deny it.
I can also say with absolute certainty that because it was so widespread this was systematic. Sexual violence was used as a weapon of terror, not just the spontaneous actions of a few individuals.
You know exactly who NOT to believe
Random morons on Lemmy
Stop huffing your own jenkum then go outside and touch the grass