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      Might makes right, huh? I already know Palestine will be completely ethnically cleansed and then israel will move onto taking parts of Syria and other countries in their goal of lebensraum. That doesn’t mean it’s morally right.

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          The negotiations were argued in bad faith. Israel would put forth ridiculous demands and then lay the blame on Palestine for rejecting them. Why do you think Palestinians are being pushed out of Gaza and have been continually and constantly pushed out for decades? There was never a sincere effort for a two-state solution.

          Nobody wants to take on many refugees all at once, it’s very difficult to manage. Why do you think Britain “volunteered” Palestinian land to relocate Jews out of Europe? It wasn’t out of the goodness of their heart.

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            No response to this of course. Don’t even expect one. They are currently with their fingers in their ears yelling “LALALLALALALA”

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              There’s literally a response just below yours, but of course taking the time to make sure you’re actually right is never a strong point for you people.

              I personally find it very funny that the pro-Palestinian go-to is that none of the offers Israel made for a 2 state solution were ‘realistic’ or ‘serious’ or ‘good faith’. No one doubts that there were offers. Tell me, in what other scenario in all of human history do the losers of a war (that they started) get to dictate the terms of their surrender?

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              Palestinians DON’T WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. THEY WANT TO STAY IN THEIR HOME THE PLACE THEIR FAMILIES HAVE LIVED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS

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                  so If I threw you out of your house, then you tried to break back in, would that be you “choosing violence”? or would you be justified?

                  Israel has no intention of living side by side with Palestinians they have always wanted to continually push them off more and more land until there is none left.

                  If you don’t believe me explain what is happening in the West Bank right now??? Hamas isn’t in control there, the gov in the west bank complies with Israel and there has been no terror attacks staged from there AND YET the settlers and the IDF continue to harrass and kill and displace people. Its clear that for the Palestinians they have 2 choices, fight or leave and never see their homes again. Fighting is the more courageous choice.

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              If driving out hamas is the only way this is going to be solved, why weren’t things solved before the existence of hamas? Egypt and saudi arabia have negotiated and a lot of money has exchanged hands to keep them docile. Egypt is high on the list of recipients of US foreign aid, i.e. money to shut up and behave according to US interests. The US clearly favored israel in the camp david meetings and even spied on egypt for the benefit of israel during that time (https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2020/02/12/cia-secretly-bought-global-encryption-provider-built-backdoors-spied-on-100-foreign-governments):

              “In the meantime, more than 100 governments around the world, possibly as many as 120, purchased and employed the backdoored equipment. China and the Soviet Union, as it was then, weren’t amongst the buyers. However, Egypt was, and this apparently enabled the U.S. to monitor communications between Anwar Sadat and Cairo during the Egypt-Israel peace accord meeting at Camp David in 1978.”

              Why are you focusing on other countries taking on refugees? These people shouldn’t be driven out of their homes to create refugees in the first place.

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              It’s similar to Ukraine, they don’t want peace unless it means getting all their land back. You can literally apply the same logic and say Ukraine can stop the war if they just agree to peace today.

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                If Ukraine has been firing rockets into Russia, the Russian invasion would have been justified.

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                Ukraine has a viable path to military victory, Palestine does not. Israel was attacked and is counter attacking in defense, Russia invaded Ukraine under obvious bullshit pretext as a land grab. Your bias is obvious if you can’t see the difference.

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      Israel hasn’t existed for a long ass time until the last century, shouldn’t that be evidence that Jewish people don’t belong there by your logic?

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              An apartheid state committing a genocide to create an ethnostate is acceptable self-interest? This isn’t self-defence - particularly when Israel backed Hamas over the secular moderates to create the pretext for this. Netanyahu is getting Israelis killed by both Hamas and the IDF.

              I agree - Israel and the Nazis are stupid and monstrous, which is why I condemn both. What’s the material difference between the far-right, genocidal fascist ethnostates Israel and Nazi Germany as far as you’re concerned?

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                  You still haven’t explained the meaningful difference between Israel’s genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate and Hitler’s genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate.

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                  You’ve seen the reports of the IDF killing shirtless Israeli hostages waving white flags and speaking Hebrew because they’re tripping over themselves to kill as many Palestinians as possible. The IDF themselves admitted to this.

                  Israel funded Hamas over secular orgs (widely and credibility reported) to create the pretext for this genocide.

                  Where’s the mental gymnastics, Jitler? While you’re at it, you can explain why the far right wing, genocidal fascist ethnostatists are bad when they’re Nazis, but not Israelis. Easy for me - refer to my description of both.

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          Israel is gonna wipe out everyone who was currently there, if you don’t like that you’re on the wrong side of history. Understood, all hail lord Netanyahu!

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      I guess we’ll see in 50 years which nation still exists.

      So if the Nazis won WWII, you’d support them? You’ve already made it clear you’re willing to support far-right genocidal ethnostates.

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          Palestine isn’t genociding itself, and they were led by secular moderates until Israel backed Hamas to create the pretext for the genocide they’re now committing. They’ve been relegated to an open-air concentration camp as Israel kills orders of magnitude more Palestinians than Hamas kills Israelis. This is just far-right lunatics creating an ethnostate via genocide - like the Nazis.

          The Nazis weren’t about improving society - they wanted to kill multiple groups and suppress the rest. It’s a deeply stupid ideology in addition to being monstrous.

          Does your apparent “I think this monstrous bullshit is in my personal self-interest, so it’s justified” principle extend to Hamas attacking Israel? What if I’m homeless hungry and horny - do I get to kill you, take your house, rape your wife and eat your kid? If not, why not?