Haley might be the smartest person in the GOP room right now. She got herself a gig in the Trump administration, but one that kept her in NYC and away from most of the crazies in the Trump Orbit. She had to promote Trump’s foreign policy, of course, but had wide latitude in terms of how to do it. She notably had a hard line against Russia while we know Trump’s history with Putin.
She was capable of doing her job without stepping in anything foul. And she got some one-on-one time with other high-level diplomats. If there is any dirt on Trump and his foreign business dealings, she has it.
Haley might make a horrible President, but she is not an election denier and she is not in Putin’s pocket, so she already has a few advantages over most of the GOPniks these days.
If I had to wager, her plan may be to stay in to the end despite losing every primary, just in case something goes south for Trump legally. Trouble is, he’s going to savage her politically and many of his supporters will never vote for her
“The worst kept secret in politics is how badly the Democrats want to run against Donald Trump,” Haley said. “A Trump nomination is a Biden win and a Kamala Harris presidency … I defeat Biden handily.”
Yeah this is my understanding.
I don’t really understand it (despite everyone explaining it n times) but if the GOP want to win all they need to do is field a young candidate.
So it all comes down to “do Republicans want to win badly enough that they can suppress their racism and misogyny and vote for a woman of color”. Republicans like winning, but NEVER bet against racism and misogyny with that crew.
Also, a large fraction of the base WILL vote for Trump, and only Trump, whether he’s on the ballot or not, which hurts Haley. And there’s no evidence that the R’s have won over a single new voter since 2020, when they lost.
This all turns on how badly Biden does with HIS base, and that is currently pretty worrying. Democratic voters like unproductive petulance at least as much as Republican voters like racism and misogyny.
Shes got the Koch billion dollar donation network behind her. I think her plan is to make as much of their money as possible, which they are glad to give to have a possible president directly in their pocket.
The Al Jazeera article had direct quotes from Haley. Unless your argument is that Al Jazeera fabricates such quotes, and I don’t think there is any evidence they do that, the criticism was wrong.
Because acting like the source that gives direct quotes is too biased to trust those quotes is silly. Especially when you’re talking about Al Jazeera, not Newsmax.
Not American, so honestly I’d prefer her to be the candidate even if she does beat Biden.
Obviously Biden vs. Trump is more likely to result in a Biden win, but a Haley presidency is arguably preferable to even the risk of a second Trump presidency.
If he’s re-elected and undermines NATO, the risk of Russia making a mistake in the baltics, and things getting out of control are very very real. Trump II is quite simply an existential threat at this point.
Obviously Biden vs. Trump is more likely to result in a Biden win
The sad thing is that we’re not sure. Trump voters don’t vote “rationally”, it’s a cult like thing that was cultivated during Biden’s term. They are taught to refute all facts and go by gut feeling instead.
Don’t think it started then. Fox News, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, hell Father Charles Coughlin and the America First Committee. Suspect it’s partly related to that Asimov quote:
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
I suspect Trump v Biden would be a tighter race than expected. Trump supporters enthusiasticly show up to vote. The majority of Americans may prefer Biden over trump but will they make the effort to vote for a man they aren’t enthusiastic about?
Haley has a much stronger chance of winning the presidency than Trump imo. She could win the independent vote, and Democrat voters may not turn out as much if she’s the alternative.
Haley might be the smartest person in the GOP room right now. She got herself a gig in the Trump administration, but one that kept her in NYC and away from most of the crazies in the Trump Orbit. She had to promote Trump’s foreign policy, of course, but had wide latitude in terms of how to do it. She notably had a hard line against Russia while we know Trump’s history with Putin.
She was capable of doing her job without stepping in anything foul. And she got some one-on-one time with other high-level diplomats. If there is any dirt on Trump and his foreign business dealings, she has it.
Haley might make a horrible President, but she is not an election denier and she is not in Putin’s pocket, so she already has a few advantages over most of the GOPniks these days.
Which is probably why Trump is implying that he has scandalous information about her.
Every accusation a confession. Always.
It’s in the Dictator’s Handbook I think. You can see the exact same thing in Russia’s official communication too.
I wonder what she has on him.
Maybe it was her job to return Putin’s boots after they’d been licked clean.
She’s said she’s pardon the asshole anyway. That kept me from being able to troll vote for her in NH.
Every accusation is a confession
If I had to wager, her plan may be to stay in to the end despite losing every primary, just in case something goes south for Trump legally. Trouble is, he’s going to savage her politically and many of his supporters will never vote for her
Sure. On the other hand…
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article284562880.html
Yeah this is my understanding.
I don’t really understand it (despite everyone explaining it n times) but if the GOP want to win all they need to do is field a young candidate.
So it all comes down to “do Republicans want to win badly enough that they can suppress their racism and misogyny and vote for a woman of color”. Republicans like winning, but NEVER bet against racism and misogyny with that crew.
Also, a large fraction of the base WILL vote for Trump, and only Trump, whether he’s on the ballot or not, which hurts Haley. And there’s no evidence that the R’s have won over a single new voter since 2020, when they lost.
This all turns on how badly Biden does with HIS base, and that is currently pretty worrying. Democratic voters like unproductive petulance at least as much as Republican voters like racism and misogyny.
Biden definitely hasn’t been unproductive. He just hasn’t been loud enough about his accomplishments.
Biden’s exceeded my expectations… it’s just no one knows him as anything other than “The guy who sniffs hair”
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?
Yea
I have a non-Biden non-trump candidate now I’m good
I think she’s wrong though. If she were to win, Trump would run an an independent and split the wingnut vote.
Hell, it’s likely she’ll pull votes from the Left who just wanna see a woman president, Identity Politics isn’t just a word ya know
Shes got the Koch billion dollar donation network behind her. I think her plan is to make as much of their money as possible, which they are glad to give to have a possible president directly in their pocket.
So what you are saying is we have found the only non trump anti genocide candidate?
And it pisses him off more?
I’m off to donate to her campaign
Yeah… no… https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/15/nikki-haleys-israel-advocacy-defined-her-tenure-at-un-advocates
No offense but I don’t trust aljazeera on anything involving Israel, their other reporting tends to be fairly good though.
Literally 2 seconds of Googling- https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/10/20/nikki-haley-says-she-would-support-israel-strengthen-u-s-military-as-president/
Let me guess, you don’t trust an Iowa newspaper to accurately report on what Nikki Haley said while she was campaigning in Iowa.
Nicely cited. Didn’t even need the snarky jab chaser lol.
He’s not very wrong about Al Jazeera’s editorial bent.
The Al Jazeera article had direct quotes from Haley. Unless your argument is that Al Jazeera fabricates such quotes, and I don’t think there is any evidence they do that, the criticism was wrong.
Nope, I agree that AJ article is well written and on point.
My feeling about AJ is they seem to have a background editorial agenda in general.
And that’s plenty ok, IMO. Just good to keep in mind.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/793847/-/comment/4828421
Thank you for a source that wasn’t aljazeera.
Come on squid, me, you, and pugjesus all have slightly different feelings but we pretty much agree on a lot.
Why make it personal?
I was polite and only asked for a source that was too close to the subject and would undoubtedly have a large amount of bias on this subject .
I know for a fact that you are better than this.
Because acting like the source that gives direct quotes is too biased to trust those quotes is silly. Especially when you’re talking about Al Jazeera, not Newsmax.
I don’t trust their “quotes” not to be false and I do not feel like taking the time to cross verify with other trusted sources.
Once again, aljazeera is fine for things not relating to Israel, I just don’t trust them on this subject.
It would be interesting to see Kamala Harris vs. Nikki Haley in a future election – Two Indian-American woman vying for the US presidency.
No thank you
interesting in the same way putting tobasco sauce in your eyes is interesting
No coronations pls. Let’s have some actual primaries with policy. On both sides.
Not American, so honestly I’d prefer her to be the candidate even if she does beat Biden.
Obviously Biden vs. Trump is more likely to result in a Biden win, but a Haley presidency is arguably preferable to even the risk of a second Trump presidency.
If he’s re-elected and undermines NATO, the risk of Russia making a mistake in the baltics, and things getting out of control are very very real. Trump II is quite simply an existential threat at this point.
The sad thing is that we’re not sure. Trump voters don’t vote “rationally”, it’s a cult like thing that was cultivated during Biden’s term. They are taught to refute all facts and go by gut feeling instead.
Don’t think it started then. Fox News, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, hell Father Charles Coughlin and the America First Committee. Suspect it’s partly related to that Asimov quote:
I suspect Trump v Biden would be a tighter race than expected. Trump supporters enthusiasticly show up to vote. The majority of Americans may prefer Biden over trump but will they make the effort to vote for a man they aren’t enthusiastic about?
My reasoning is that no one is particularly enthusiastic about Biden.
People will however turn up to vote against Trump.
Will people turn up to vote against Haley in as large numbers? I have my doubts.
Haley has a much stronger chance of winning the presidency than Trump imo. She could win the independent vote, and Democrat voters may not turn out as much if she’s the alternative.
She also wants to ban Gender Affirming Care in all 50 states