And saw a bunch of posts about the third party apps closing down, and lots of negativity about that whole fiasco.
… And I realized I hadn’t been there for a week… And frankly didn’t miss it. I am really loving the beehaw (and Lemmy as a whole) community. Thanks for being open, welcoming, responsive, engaging, and just generally nice people. I’m happy to be here. :)
I’m gonna stay on my 3rd party app until the June 30 midnight close… I want to try and witness one of the biggest tech crashes in modern history.
I really think reddit hubris has massively underestimated the user loss they’re about to feel.
FUCK Em’!… (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
You overestimate how many people use third-party apps. They are the (very) vocal minority. They may represent a majority of the content submitted, but there’s an arbitrary number of web users who don’t have an account (hi) in addition to all the casual users who just use the app.
Yes it’s vocal minority, but that local minority is the reason why silent majority have content that keeps them on reddit.
Not just content creation, but moderation / free labour
Yes, it’s also important, but lack of high quality content will hit way earlier.
I don’t think this is the death of Reddit, but I do think it’s the dumbing down of Reddit. A lot of the power users that spend all day interacting and posting are going to be the ones leaving. Reddit will turn from a social community back into a simple link aggregator with people posting articles and having the same discussions over and over again in the comments.
That’s basically what it is already on many of the largest subs. Hell they even recycle/repost the same content every 6 months or so
I swear askreddit’s questions are automated at this point.
You are not wrong, but Reddit will never be the same. This whole IPO business is effectively the death of Reddit as we know it, to be replaced with a mediocre TikTok clone. It takes strong leadership among execs and ownership for profit-driven corporation to stay the course and remain successful.
Reddit has neither. Just a legacy and incumbency.
I think the key thing that will screw them is violating the trust of the volunteer moderator force that basically makes reddit what it is. I don’t think reddit appreciates how much of their business relies on a completely volunteer, unpaid workforce.
If the mods decide to quit en masse and and either stop moderating or turn subreddits private on their way out then reddit is done for.
Yeah. Though the third party users are probably are the heaviest users so probably have an outsized impact on the content of various subreddits. So no, I don’t think the lack of 3rd party clients and those users will kill Reddit, anymore than its killed twitter or Tumblr shennanigans has killed tumblr. That said I did just join today, and I do actually wonder given the death of 3rd party clients and the IPO when reddit will try to squash NSFW subreddits and posts. Thats the kind of thing I’d expect as they IPO and chase advertisers.
Average third party user creates more content than average redditor. Most mods use third party applications. That makes it different from Tumblr, where only nsfw communities were killed, so rare people that were there not for porn weren’t affected. On Twitter, it’s Twitters administration that moderates Twitter. On Reddit - it’s users who does it. And as i’ve said, most of them use third party apps. That’s how it’s different.
I share this attitude. Been on reddit for 17 years but am super sad to see Apollo go. That said, I use reddit on desktop with Enhancement Suite and it’s tolerable, after all the curation I have done on my subs. So it may be hard to leave, if I’m truly honest with myself. Dipping my toes in elsewhere to see what resonates, though. I’m super frustrated with the capitalist money grab and centralized social media problem reddit personifies. :(
old.reddit is definitely going soon too unfortunately. I thought I’d just use that, but reddit’s actions in the past few days have convinced me that after 10 years it’s time to go.
Ehh I doubt it’ll crash. Most major subs are modded by their own people. Worst case scenario they’ll overthrow the mods that blacked out, prop up some puppets and continue as if nothing had happened. Worst case scenario they lose 6% of their audience and recover it back in a few months of ads.
Honestly, even if it’s not a huge crash, it’s already shown a lot of people the better way of handling social media. Closer groups with access to a larger community. Seems far better than the monolith that is Reddit or Twitter.
The problem is default subreddits grow too big with no way to make it better once critical Mass is reached. I think federation solves Thar problem entirely, since it encourages interaction across more niche spaces.
You can handle growth, but you need to be strict about moderation, and a lot of people don’t want to do that for some reason.
I’ll miss what Reddit was but not what it’s become. Good riddance to yet another enshittified social media site.
I don’t expect Lenny/Beehaw etc to ever get as big as Reddit, and to be honest that’s probably for the best.
Yeah, that’s the thing… I think back to some of the communities I used to be a part of decades ago, and the size of them… I miss those communities. I’m ready to return to a smaller internet.
Same. I remember back when forums were more of a thing (they weren’t perfect) as were dedicated servers for multiplayer games; both which had their own smaller communities which actually worked well.
I had a realization last night.
Used to spend a lot of time on reddit on ttrpg subreddits reading about how other people were running their games instead of working on my own campaigns. Now, a lot of the time I would have spent reading about how someone else was doing the thing I wanted to, I’m just doing it. The dynamic is inverted.
This is what healing looks like.
This is where everyone wants to end up I think. Using these sites less for discussing this stuff, and instead actually doing it.
Ya - big social media companies are trying to make addictive products - so not the best for getting things done~
I think I’m going to still use reddit to solve certain problems when googling. It’s still a good resource for solving specific problems. Just won’t spend any browsing time there. Just in an out.
Same here, Google has slowly become unusable for certain topics if you don’t append “reddit” to your search.
It’s way too hard to cut through the search engine optimized spam when googling something now. Especially for product recommendations all you get are random top X lists.
Yes! and when you actually click on them you realize the term you searched was only used by those pages as seo and aren’t actually mentioned anywhere in there.
I started using DuckDuckGo actively in 2014. It has since been my primary search engine. It used to be very similar to google: minimalist, an ad placed as the first search result and that’s it. DDG has stayed pretty much the same. The few times I now wander on google to try to get different results, I just find it so unusable. Search results are swimming in an ocean of suggested content… I’m never going back.
Brave Search is getting better as well. The browser is already pretty solid, I’m using it now.
I use brave on my phone. It autoblocks youtube ads, which is nice.
I do the same. It feels exactly the same, if not slightly better than, google search, now that search is so drowned in SEO spam anyways.
I’ve noticed I’ll type in the exact name of the website but forget the .com to tell my browser to go directly there, so it will do a search. My results show the site I was looking for halfway down the page, with the first half being ads and even competitors of the site! I’m not searching for items from the site but the site itself yet Google is so useless it shows me a bunch of similar stuff even when I gave it a specific.
Definitely relate to this! If I google something and one of the top results is a Reddit post, I’m usually pretty excited because it means other people having similar issues will be able to offer advice on my particular use case. And there’s so much content already on Reddit that you’re very likely to find something helpful!
Yeah, it’s so useful because you get suggestions from real users along with discussion and a voting system. You’re not just relying on an algorithm to point to a poorly written list with the right keywords stuffed in. Oh, you’re looking for the best xyz? Here’s a list of Amazon affiliate links chosen by an “expert.” No thanks.
Same here, for porn only.
I was just perusing the big AMA with the CEO or whatever the spez guy is. They are not holding up well lmao.
Popping my Lemmy cherry!
That ama is what convinced me that reddit is dead, and in like 3 minutes took me from being sad about it to enthusiastically watching it die.
I’d bet my left nut reddit will survive for quite a while yet, probably do even better over time
The kind of people who end up here just aren’t the target demographic for them anymore
Maybe… but I’d guess in the same sense that Digg is still around. You’re right about the type of people migrating here, though - Reddit no longer cares about intelligent discussion, it’s all memes and snark and political outrage. They don’t want an informed populace, they want a populace that can be steered toward whatever they want.
This is not the first mass migration I’ve seen from Reddit, but this is the first one that feels like it might actually stick, for a couple of reasons: First, Lemmy finally feels like a viable alternative. Previous alternatives like Voat were quite abrasive - like I’m all about free speech, but I don’t want to see a bunch of hateful content just for the sake of being shocking. Second, this time they’re fucking with the mods. And while a lot can be said about the quality of the moderation over there, people abhorr being asked to do more with less, especially when they’re working for free. Lose the mods and the site is DONE. It will be overrun with spam so quick it’ll make your head spin, and then the last exodus will occur, quietly. And Reddit cannot afford to replace the unpaid mods with paid mods, they simply don’t have the resources.
It will be interesting to see how things go with Lemmy, but I have hopes - with it being decentralized, if a community becomes toxic or overly-censored it seems easy enough to spin up a rival on a different instance and filter the bad actor. At least that seems to be the pitch, let’s see how things shake out over the next year or two.
I’ve been on Reddit for nearly 15 years (since just prior to the digg migration), but it is nothing like what it used to be - it’s changed, man, and not at all for the better. Lemmy definitely feels more like Reddit of old, and I’m excited to be here - now I just need to find my hobby communities and I’ll have my new internet home. But the communities will come, the apps will come, and I have high hopes. Let’s go!
I’d add a third reason that killing the apps materially affects all the people who were die hard app users. Previous proposed reddit boycotts were over some issue like the site firing the woman who organized the AMAs or some other moderation issue that for the most part didn’t impact the rest of the experience of browsing. It’s easy to forget how one subreddit got ruined or some admin drama because it feels distant from day to day browsing. Taking away the apps is impossible to avoid. App users can’t just shrug about all this drama and go back to browsing the way they are accustomed to. Opening that official app is going to be a constant reminder of how ugly all this was. It will make sticking to a boycott much easier I think.
💯
I’m just hoping that most of my favorite niche subs move to something more decentralized; Reddit has a bunch of specialized communities that I’d hate to lose.
FB and twitter are losing users, but very slowly. Reddit will go out the same way… It’ll be a whiny, decades-long, fading away into obscurity, while still retaining lots of assets.
Welcome! I just came over yesterday because I submitted a report, WHICH WAS ACCEPTED AND ACTIONED BY REDDIT, then got a week ban for abusing the report feature.
I guess they don’t want us tying up resources as they work overtime to alienate the users that make Reddit worth a shit. 🤷
I just got banned from some of my subs for spamming their mod queue by accident… I edited all my visible comments to 4 archive.org links about the API changes. It triggered AutoModerator a zillion times.
I was going to let those comments sit for a bit before deleting my account.
That’s not really related to what you’re saying, but I guess I just wanted to share it with someone!
That sucks.
I had already nuked my 15 year heckload of karma “main” because I ran afoul of a super mod with some fairly innocuous opinion. Got banned from one sub, confused I modmail to ask what’s wrong and how I can fix it, get muted and immediately banned from upwards of 10 other subs. 🤣
Gave em a piece of my mind and killed it, because I’ll be damned if I let some butthurt waffle bully me like the internet is some sorta “real world.”
I wasn’t planning on going back to Reddit, so I don’t really mind.
I feel badly that I wasted mods’ time, actually. Part of the reason I edited my comments with a protest was to support mods.
Same here. I was going to stick around till the end of the month, but that AMA convinced to delete my account today and move on to better things. I made sure to leave a tip in the jar for Christian on my way out.
I paid for RIF is Fun Platinum Golden, just as a thank you to TalkLittle for his awesome work. I feel bad I never did it before, but I really appreciate them
Hear hear! I’ve been on Reddit over 15 years but fuck it, it’s not worth the neverending fountain of bullshit.
I’m currently feeling both lol. I’m sad Reddit is making the decisions it’s making. Having communities that big help find niche info. However I’m glad everyone is giving them hell for how they’re treating devs and users.
Its funny watching reddit and Twitter implode with mastodon and lemmy we have 2 replacements that are better at being Twitter and reddit than Twitter and reddit 🤣
It really seems like they are tying to tackle two issues at once here (LLM training on reddit data, revenue from 3rd party apps) and they aren’t doing a great job at communicating why they are making the API changes. It doesn’t help that the company has a history of making empty promises, so nobody trusts a word they say.
It doesn’t help that they’re lying through their teeth trying to throw somebody under the bus who thought ahead and brought the receipts to the party 😂
Honestly, if there is one thing Huffman has demonstrated in that thread, it is that he need to be replaced as CEO. What an embarrassment.
Apparently he’s been busted in the past editing comments critical of him to reroute them at various mods instead. haha
yeah, he did that to users in /r/the_donald. Which, given his own beliefs, is likely because he was mad his own people were attacking him.
I still miss Yishan telling us to look deep into our souls before wacking off to Jennifer Lawrence
…what?
The Fappening friend
Haven’t stopped using reddit, tbh. But my usage has noticeably dropped - haven’t even commented on a single thing but one after installing Jerboa. Having an alternative really does help. I’m confident I can completely stop redditing on mobile by the end of the month as long as this community stays active.
Yeah, I’m unsure what to do. I’m lead mod for /r/SanAntonio a city I recently left, and I feel an urge to do something with it. Like use it to make a statement or something.
You guys with mod experience are really valuable, imo. Can’t help with what you want to do with your reddit sub, but it would be great to see your subs here!
Honestly, the complexity of federated services isn’t for mass adoption. And /r/SanAntonio users are some of the last I would expect to see adopt lemmy. And I feel I’d have to get comfortable with it myself before recommending others, as that comes with the obligation to help them out.
Like, why do thse two instances of this post have 1 common comment, and 1 missing? https://beehaw.org/post/473716 https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781
Also, what’s with this ‘search [email protected] on your instance to find this post and be able to comment on it’ crap. I was linked to pineapplemachine from beehaw, maybe thats the other user’s fault… idk. it’s a real rough experience from the start.
Please give Lemmy some more time to develop. Until the Reddit API announcements this week, it only had 2 hobbyist developers contributing to it at a slow rate because of its small userbase.
Content can appear slightly different between instances because of how posts are retrieved with federation. In the threads you linked, it’s likely that the older comment doesn’t appear on beehaw.org because it was posted before beehaw.org federated with lemmy.pineapplemachine.com. Comments that were posted before two instances federate with each other are not synced between the instances. This prevents small instances federating with big ones like lemmy.ml from being bombarded by thousands of comment requests.
The problem with links to remote communities not converting to links on the home server and the confusing federation process are also being worked on, but again, Lemmy (and Kbin)'s contributors are a few unpaid developers. They can’t be expected to push production-quality Reddit features instantly.
I’ll definitely give it some more time, I thought I saw a post somewhere that Lemmy was being developed by 2 paid developers. Regardless, I may try my hand at contributing. I’ve got a degree in compsci and some experience on a few personal projects. But first gotta get my head wrapped around how all this works and then get digging through the code.
Just watched a video that mentioned the possibility of following a mastadon account from a peertube account, being able to communicate cross-instance and cross-application within the fediverse, which sounds like a neat ability. Though I don’t see how to do that just yet. I’ll keep poking around and reading.
When I was feeling overwhelmed by all the cumbersome clicks that come with getting used to lemmy, I found kbin to be a better way to just explore what’s across all instances.
It’s a different project but can access and interact with everything on lemmy.
It’s so cool to be able to use different front-ends to access the same content. I personally prefer Lemmy’s software, but it’s refreshing to have a choice in how we interact with a content platform.
I’ve ended up liking the lemmy interface more, but it was definitely way too overwhelming at first. Kbin helped me understand how content is spread out across instances in a much more obvious way.
That then let me know which communities I should sub to in order to make my lemmy account more what I wanted and expected.
I’m definitely a nerd who loves to tinker with tech-y stuff so I just spent an entire day playing around, but yeah kbin has a bunch of potential in regards to making onboarding smoother.
It’s the social media equivalent of KDE and Gnome.
With KDE being kbin in this analogy because they both have the letter k in it. Logic.
I love that! Honestly the whole reddit fiasco has been a huge push for me to switch to open-source platforms. I’m now on Invidious instead of Youtube, here instead of reddit, and I downloaded the LibRedirect addon to redirect me to open-source alternatives whenever available.
I already run Linux Mint on my laptop, so right now the last big holdout is my desktop running the reviOS version of Windows 11, and my phone which I need to get around to rooting.
Is there a mobile app for kbin.social? I’d like to use that too since that’s where I browse on my PC, but Jerboa doesn’t seem to support it.
I’m not sure! I stopped using kbin after getting more comfortable with how lemmy works.
I think I remember something about a very early build for an app, but I’m not sure. You should make a thread and ask!
This is the way.
Hello from kbin (too) 👋
Is there an app?
I’m a few miles up 35 and finding the only real utility Reddit provides other than killing time is /r/Austin, and even there … well, I get NWS alerts on my phone, take transit and don’t lose pets, so the level of usefulness may be more imagined than real.
At the same time, the initial reasons I joined Reddit other than link aggregation aren’t what they once were. I’ve found that DIY projects I learn about on Reddit and then have questions about details on get zero responses, and the communities I joined years ago have been so overrun by people who want karma over discussion that there’s not much value there, either.
Using Google to search Reddit can be useful, but then you get a great detailed post from four years ago and can’t do anything with it if you have further questions. The thread is locked on account of age, and people get pissed if you post a new thread on the same topic that links to the original.
What this API fiasco has done is bring into specific relief where Reddit has already failed and turned all of those into a cohesive narrative that was lacking up to this point. I’d heard of Tildes but not Lemmy until this week, and already my work internet use has switched from RSS then Reddit to Beehaw then RSS.
I guess I needed to get hit over the head with just how bad things had gotten via external forces to overcome inertia. Interestingly, two months ago, I was running Windows on all my computers, and I finally snapped on how invasive notifications and forced-app shenangians had gotten.
The stages of grief may end with acceptance where people are involved, but they certainly don’t need to with technologies and platforms. I’m starting to better understand the grousing I wrote off as narcissistic woe-the-hell-is-me was actually a congregation of coal-mine canaries.
I’ve curated my subreddits pretty well, so I will miss some of them if they don’t move over here or someplace similar. But there’s enough going on that I think it will not be too bad.
That’s my biggest concern as well. I mean, I have no loyalty to reddit as a platform, but it does have vibrant communities for the numerous (and often niche) things that I am interested in. So divorcing myself from reddit almost entirely will be… difficult, but frankly, the platform has been going to shit for a while now and a kick in the butt to leave was sorely needed.
And based on your profile banner, looks like we share one of those communities: FFXIV :)
I haven’t been back to Reddit since I created an account on here a few days ago. I thought I would be going back there regularly to consult my more niche subreddits, but I haven’t been back at all.
I’m happy with where Lemmy is right now. So for me it can only get better here. I think I’m 100% done with Reddit.
RIP Sync for Reddit, you were my go-to for the past decade.
I’ll miss sync a lot too, it is such a great application.
I’ve been spending way less time on Reddit too since I joined Lemmy. I wanna help spread the word about Lemmy on Reddit, but I don’t know how to do that without having it come across as an advertisement.
That is a challenge we have, but I think the answer is to just go for it. I’m doing the same here with kbin which is another option for viewing the same content (I’m responding to you from there) but with some extra features. I feel like an advertisement, but at the same time a lot of new people just don’t know what else is out there in the fediverse, so I’m trying to encourage exploring and finding what’s right for you.
go to the sub called /r/lemmy, people there are begging for tutorials about lemmy.
Figured out Lemmy in about a day… Trying to setup my own instance… 4 hours of failure so far. Lol
Ya , I was looking into it , but I think you need Sudo admin access ? I have a dreamhost shared server but I don’t think it’ll work
Yes, you need sudo.
I mean, do you really care if people think you’re advertising at this point?
And risk getting banned by Reddit 🥶🥶
I am happy to see reddit go. I came in to reddit on the Dogg exodus, tried to leave reddit on one exodus that turned out to be all racist and right wing (voat maybe?) So then went back. If Lemmy doesn’t work I’m just going to have to go outside or something
I recommend going outside anyway. Exercise adds a big chunk of life expectancy and well-being.
The book “The Miracle Pill” is a good read on this topic if anyone’s interested
Lemmy is great. It doesn’t need to be the end all to be all, and it doesn’t need to be a reddit killer. It just needs to be around for whoever wants to congregate and discuss.
I just deleted my account which was over 10 years old. I don’t need that kind of negativity. Only positivity from here on out. Keep being awesome Lemmy.
11 year old account here, I’m getting ready to pull the trigger. So much time spent on niche subs that will be hard to replace, but I suppose that means I should be more active in any similar counterparts on Lemmy to help them grow and flourish.
16-year-old account for me. I probably won’t delete it, because it doesn’t do me any good to do that, but I’m not really showing up anymore. Especially after I have to delete Apollo.
What’s keeping you from creating those niche communities here? As long as it’s still a manageably small community here, moderating it wouldn’t be much of a hassle.
Go for it!
I probably won’t delete my reddit account until the subreddits that I’m relatively active in gain a bigger presence on Lemmy, but if that happens, bye bye reddit.
I don’t have that fortitude yet, haha. My account is from 2007. Have my little Colbert Rally badge on it from a goofier, tighter-knit time on Reddit. Feels more like a monument than a home now, though.
You can request all of your Reddit data somewhere in the settings if that would help``
I’m currently looking for this, and I don’t think Reddit has a feature that’s what this sounds like. On Facebook you can download all your data, photos, posts, comments, in one big pile. Closest thing I can find on Reddit (which only came up when I googled it externally) is a form you can submit to request what data Reddit has “about” your account. And they request 30 days processing time.
You can use the 3rd party scripts that are usually for mass editing/deleting to save all your comments/posts, I think, and without editing/deleting if you don’t want to. Like Power Delete Suite and Redact. But that doesn’t save other peoples’ replies, or the post you made a comment on, so far as I know.
They don’t work for frequent posters. I could only save my top 600? comments, 1000 most recent comments, and 600? most controversial comments, which is only maybe 10% of what I’ve written.
Realistically, that’s plenty, though. I don’t need a museum of everything I’ve written on the site, but I can open it up if I’m ever nostalgic for it.
Just speed ran an account to 125k karma in 3 months because I like numbers, but the site is dross now, any individual thoughts are downvoted. It’s just one big circlejerk
lol. You talk about how you game the system to speedrun big numbers for imaginery points. Then complain that reddit isn’t what it was and theres no individual thoughts. … Do you not see the irony of that comment?
Not only do I see it, I feel it.
Thats true, mean if somethings just constantly giving you grief rather than any enjoyment then how much good is it really to be using it? Lifes already enough of a pain lol
I still don’t understand how everything works here but I love the positivity I see !
If there’s content on Reddit you absolutely must view, I definitely endorse RSS readers. No need for an account and you get rid of the infinite scrolling and data mining of the Front-page view
Wait, I didn’t know that it’s possible to use RSS readers to view Reddit. Just tried it out, and it’s even better than using old Reddit (which I’ve been doing for ages).
Edit: Here’s how to use RSS readers to view Reddit.
If there’s content on Reddit
And there are a lot of content there indeed. I find myself constantly appending
redditorsite:reddit.comto my search engine terms in a desperate attempt to get information from real-ish people and not from SEO shit.That’s what I’m going to miss the most. It was so hard to find quality content outside of Reddit already, and with “AI” it’s just going to get worse.
