• SomeGuy69@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    It would backfire like Brexit. Imagine the USA openly shunted by all former allies about their war crimes and other international crimes. The US forgets they currently can get away with a lot, and they do, because they are also an important ally. If you remove their NATO support, what reason is left to whistle ignorance?

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      9 months ago

      The US forgets they currently can get away with a lot, and they do, because they are also an important ally

      I think it’s only Trump who forgets this not the US. I am not even sure he understands it really

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        It’s not only Trump.

        It’s also Trump voters and voters who stay at home and let him back into office.

        I’ll be pleasantly surprised if a majority of American voters turn out against him.

        Last time it was about 1 in 3 voted for him, 1 in 3 voted against him, and 1 in 3 didn’t show up.

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      Brexit was a disaster because the UK economy was third-place-and-shrinking in the economic block. They had no leverage.

      NATOXIT would be a much bigger deal, because the US is the premier global military power and the single largest exporter of weapons and associated tech.

      Also, the NATO thing is pure bluster in order to assert leverage over the bloc, while Brexit was a dog-catching-the-car scenario. The Tories invented so many fictions about how awful EU membership was that they couldn’t accept what generous concessions were offered. Meanwhile, Trump will happily take a big personal kickback for a small concession on arms sales.

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      9 months ago

      The US getting held accountable for it’s war crimes? Sounds too good to be true.

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        Yeah, can y’all vote Trump meow?

        /S kinda

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      Backfiring to Boris looks a lot different than backfiring to Trump. Boris Johnson, even though he’s a piece of shit, still cares about England. Trump only cares about himself and would let Putin waltz right into the War Room if he wanted to.

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        9 months ago

        Don’t know what consumer base you’re referring to, but other than the wealthy keeping the economy afloat by maintaining their expenditures on creature comforts, most people in America are broke as fuck.

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        9 months ago

        It’s not about Europe. It’s about the massive fuckton of TS//SCI shit shared directly with FIVE EYES and NATO, which shows the exact locations of US strategic nuclear weapons, strategic weapons protocols, intelligence gathering techniques and sources, etc that can almost immediately be sent directly to Russia and China as soon as the US walks out the door. It’s about the first line of defense missile detection radars, the cryptologic keys, Global Campaign Plans, Contingency Plans, PBNZ coordinates, non-overflight coordinates, FLAGWORDS, etc.

        And that’s not all - you also lost all international trade, everywhere, forever. Bye-bye middle eastern oil and Chinese manufactured goods, because all your oh-so-friendly shipping lanes and freedom of the seas is now contested waters full of could-be-privateers. If the EU, by pure necessity, pivots Eastward into a pan-Eurasian bloc, that’s game for the US.

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            9 months ago

            Look man, if nothing else, we’re subsidizing your insane deficit spending and keeping you from hyperinflation by keeping USD as currency reserves. The EU and the US are comparable sized economies, and I could also say the EU is held back a lot by the still present divisions across its members. An external rallying event would most likely catapult integration and economic and military strength.

            All that said, there is no reasonable way forward for the US or the EU without keeping the current world order, which means keeping a strong alliance. If the US and the EU decide on a trade war, that would most likely mean insane inflation and economic breakdown, and a Chinese new world order.

            So let’s stop comparing dick sizes, get all our fucking fascists back in their holes, and let’s try making a friendly alliance work?

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        9 months ago

        So, you cool if Canada nopes out of NORAD too then? Gonna use smoke signals for your DEW?