Would you believe that the people in a democracy look poorly on attempts to overthrow that democracy? Shocking stuff, but it’s true.
Unrelated, I do have questions. I find myself wondering where you came by your taste for leather. Did you acquire it later in life or were you born with a boot in your mouth? And is the brain damage from licking up all the polish, or being dropped repeatedly on your head?
I’ve never seen someone both frothing at the mouth and have a raging hard on at the same time.
In my defense, those were both your mother’s fault and you didn’t knock before you walked in.
God damn
K. That’s fucking funny! Imagine that, humor in a meme thread!!!
You can definitely tell both a person’s level of intelligence and creativity, by how quickly they resort to “your mother” jokes.
I’ll leave you to your sexually charged fantasies about hate-fucking the opposition.
But she doesn’t seem opposed to it.
Also funny
Unappreciated wit is, thankfully, a tragedy you’ll never have to experience.
Alternately: Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what you cheer for
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And to be fair, the US isn’t a “democracy”. It’s a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. Semantics, I know, but accuracy counts.
Nobody means “universal direct democracy” when they say “democracy”. Not the ancient Athenians, not the Swiss, nobody.
This is a very disingenuous talking point.
It’s not a talking point. Seems quite a few Americans don’t know what our actual form of government is called. Accuracy counts.
Words mean what the people using them agree that they mean.
You are holding a minority position here. It would seem you do not know what your form of government is called.
Minority view or not, it’s correct. Just because it’s a majority doesn’t make it correct.
Well, you are correct by a minority. But incorrect by the majority.
Its called perspective and language. Study papers need to define the word sometimes from the ground up so the paper becomes understandable.
Guess it depends on what the definition of “is” is. Hate it all you want, I’m right.
In other words it’s a shitty democracy.
Democracy, by definition, is 50% +1 vote, otherwise known as “mob rule”. That would be an even shittier system to live under.
Ok fascist.
I just want to point out that the majority of people are manipulated by massive corporations on a daily basis. They just use it for immediate profit by getting them to buy things. They could easily start manipulating people for political gain, of which they’ve tried in the past with varying degrees of success.
This is expressly what a constitutional federal republic (a specific type of democracy) is meant to prevent.The fact that you called me a fascist proves you don’t know what the word means
You mean this?
I know exactly what fascism is. Being anti-democracy does not in itself make you a fascist, but it’s a very strong sign that you are. Either way you’re an asshole and I don’t particularly care what flavor of asshole you are.
And you’re a fuckwit! Name calling is fun!
Never thought being pro-freedom meant fascist to intellectuals such as yourself. A system that could swing from election to election based on one vote seems pretty fucking horrible tbh, especially in the US with our deep partisan divdes. Imagine the sheer horror the libs would go through whe the country went 50.0000000001 to 49.9999999999 conservative and abortion became illegal for 4 years! Bet you’d hate democracy then!
For the record, I’m solidly pro choice, pro 2A, athiest and couldn’t care less who you want to spend your naked time with. Find another lazy insult, fascist already wore itself out, and it doesn’t describe the people you think it does - bet you agree with keeping Trump off the ballot. “Democratic”, indeed.
lol no it doesn’t
Voting like that is certainly democratic but that’s not the definition of democracy dumb dumb
democracy noun de·moc·ra·cy di-ˈmä-krə-sē plural democracies 1 a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections 2 : a political unit that has a democratic government 3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S. from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy— C. M. Roberts 4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority 5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
republic noun re·pub·lic ri-ˈpə-blik Synonyms of republic 1 a(1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government b(1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit the French Fourth Republic
Yep exactly. What you said is not included in there dumb dumb
If you’re incapable of clicking a link, we can go to the host stand and get you a placemat and some crayons. The US is not a democracy, by definition, regardless of what your kindergarten teacher is telling you.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Moronic or bad faith argument. Why do you even try?
Because it’s funny. His own AG stated he wouldn’t be fit to stand trial in a case regarding the classified documents he was illegally in possession of. I will fully admit I’m more Trump than not, but put up a funny Trump meme and I’ll laugh along with you. Last actual funny anti-Trump meme I can recall was one of those “Ladies, find yourself a man who looks at you the way Trump looks at Ivanka”. That actually generated a giggle. The shit I see nowadays is lazy “Orange man in jumpsuit!!! He go jail!”. That shit’s not funny, it’s dumb. I’ve seen some pretty dumbass Biden ones too.
Buddy you are half the comments on this post. Is there not any grass you could be touching?
Like they say, “don’t feed the bears”
That and I was feeling particularly feisty last night.
Only Jon Stewart is allowed to make fun of democratic leadership!
Well yeah, conservatives couldn’t find a joke if it had oil in it
Yes, yes, other team bad ad nauseum.
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of gaffes Biden has made over the last two years.
Trump can’t go a single day without making a fool out of himself.
Keep talking about it
I don’t get all the drama and controversy here? It’s a meme.
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Replace Joe with the evil orange man and watch the like/dislike flip instantly!!!
Replace “an old man” with “an old man who betrayed his oath of office and our country”, and watch the like/dislike flip instantly!!!
Fixed that for you. Stop pretending like treason is okay.
No, I said what I said. When did he get charged with treason?
Just because he wasn’t charged with treason doesn’t mean he didn’t commit treason by advocating an armed insurrection against our democracy. (See: the US post-Civil War Reconstruction Era for further examples.)
And if you want to why he wasn’t charged for that, it’s because of Republican Special Counsel Ken Starr’s disastrous opinion that sitting presidents are above the law and can’t be prosecuted, and must instead be impeached–which, if you remember, Trump was, not once but twice. Of course now Trump is arguing that he’s still above the law and deserves “total immunity”, which only further shows that he is, in fact, a wanna-be dictator.
Saying “Trump wasn’t charged with a crime so therefore he did nothing wrong” and “Trump can’t be charged with a crime because current and former US Presidents must have total immunity from prosecution” is very clearly circular logic.
It’s not murder if they don’t find the body!
Or the classified documents by the corvette in the garage! Oh wait…
Well, you should probably elect better representation if you feel he committed treason by telling people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard, and that super treasonous decree telling everyone to go home. Considering not even AOC or Ilhan Omar brought up charges of treason, gonna go ahead and guess that there’s literally zero evidence, let alone reason to even try, but you seem to know more than they do. Also, for a dictator, he did a pretty piss poor job of remaining in power. Also pretty sure Ken Starr never stated sitting presidents are above the law, we do still have the impeachment process, which you also brought up. Yes, he was impeached (brought up on charges) by a liberal house, but was subsequently acquitted (found not guilty) by a conservative senate.
Oh, he didn’t need to be charged; it’s been ruled that he fomented an insurrection in the Courts, and that’s treason. Now that gets kicked up to SCOTUS for review, but here’s where you’re in trouble: if any higher Court including the SCOTUS wants to overturn that ruling, they’re going to have to show their work as to why, and they can’t, because it’s simple fact as shown by the video evidence of the day and sworn testimony by everyone who didn’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment.
Now. I don’t expect you to accept any of that, but it’s dangerous to go alone, so take this block.
It won’t help you, but much like everyone you’ve ever cared for I’ll be happy never thinking about you again.Okay okay, that was excessive; I didn’t really mean it. I’m sorry.Pinpoint exactly how he tried to remain in power. The peaceful transition of power occurred on 1/20/21 as scheduled, nary a violent incident to be found. Your zeal to see a man you disagree with destroyed, being fed by pure idiots as well as some who have far more nefarious intentions, is undeniable. Reams of documents and thousands of hours of video evidence still haven’t surfaced. Yet they keep feeding you lie after lie. If such evidence existed, it would be plastered all over the news, and I would stand beside you to throw him in prison.
On a different topic, but one that’s more in line with the meme posted that started all this, do you agree that Biden should be impeached and put in prison for what remains of his life for the documents he was in no way legally allowed to take possession of after his time as vice president, nor were they secured in any way, shape or form? Or do you agree with AG Garland that he’s unfit to stand trial?
Huh. I can’t seem to block you from this instance; I don’t know if that’s a lemmy.world problem or a sh.itjust.works problem. Ah well, since we’re still here: https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/12/23SA300.pdf
- A large group of people forcibly entered the Capitol, overwhelming law enforcement officers on site.
- The mob was armed with a wide array of weapons, including metal bars from police barricades and officers’ batons and riot shields.
- The mob violently assaulted police officers throughout the day, using actual and threatened force.
- The mob coordinated and demonstrated unity of purpose, marching through the Capitol, chanting threats against members of Congress and Vice President Pence.
- Upon breaching the Capitol, the mob pursued its intended target—the certification of the presidential election—reaching the House and Senate chambers within minutes.
- The mob’s unified purpose was to hinder or prevent Congress from counting the electoral votes and certifying the 2020 presidential election, effectively halting the electoral certification process.
The transfer of power happened in spite of Trump, not because he didn’t make the attempt. Rebut the Court, not me. But this would require you to read, which I know you won’t do, and argue in good faith, which you aren’t and won’t.
As to your second topic: Of course, as long as you’ll agree that whatever sentence Biden gets Trump also gets but to greater scale, to reflect the difference in both the number and sensitivity of the documents retained. See, that’s the difference between Democrats and Republicans: we’re willing to hold our leaders to account and we expect them to be subject to the same laws the rest of us are.
Sure a bunch of fuckwits did some dumb shit, and quite a few did some really bad shit. For all of them, I fully support throwing the book at them. However, there is zero proof that Trump is culpable in it.
If you really want to block me but can’t, I’ll go ahead and stop engaging you. I fully respect your wishes and I’m truly sorry if whatever I said somehow caused you grief. I wish the best for you and hope that someday you’ll look back on this conversation objectively, and not through a lens polarized by political beliefs.
Read the ruling I linked and all the cited case law in it. Here’s some relevant portions:
The question thus becomes whether the evidence before the district court sufficiently established that the events of January 6 constituted a concerted and public use of force or threat of force by a group of people to hinder or prevent the U.S. government from taking the actions necessary to accomplish the peaceful transfer of power in this country. We have little difficulty concluding that substantial evidence in the record supported each of these elements and that, as the district court found, the events of January 6 constituted an insurrection.
It is undisputed that a large group of people forcibly entered the Capitol and that this action was so formidable that the law enforcement officers onsite could not control it. Moreover, contrary to President Trump’s assertion that no evidence in the record showed that the mob was armed with deadly weapons or that it attacked law enforcement officers in a manner consistent with a violent insurrection, the district court found—and millions of people saw on live television, recordings of which were introduced into evidence in this case—that the mob was armed with a wide array of weapons. The court also found that many in the mob stole objects from the Capitol’s premises or from law enforcement officers to use as weapons, including metal bars from the police barricades and officers’ batons and riot shields and that throughout the day, the mob repeatedly and violently assaulted police officers who were trying to defend the Capitol. The fact that actual and threatened force was used that day cannot reasonably be denied.
Substantial evidence in the record further established that this use of force was concerted and public. As the district court found, with ample record support, “The mob was coordinated and demonstrated a unity of purpose . . . . They marched through the [Capitol] building chanting in a manner that made clear they were seeking to inflict violence against members of Congress and Vice President Pence.” And upon breaching the Capitol, the mob immediately pursued its intended target—the certification of the presidential election—and reached the House and Senate chambers within minutes of entering the building.
Finally, substantial evidence in the record showed that the mob’s unified purpose was to hinder or prevent Congress from counting the electoral votes as required by the Twelfth Amendment and from certifying the 2020 presidential election; that is, to preclude Congress from taking the actions necessary to accomplish a peaceful transfer of power. As noted above, soon after breaching the Capitol, the mob reached the House and Senate chambers, where the certification process was ongoing. Id. This breach caused both the House and the Senate to adjourn, halting the electoral certification process. In addition, much of the mob’s ire—which included threats of physical violence—was directed at Vice President Pence, who, in his role as President of the Senate, was constitutionally tasked with carrying out the electoral count.
If you want the links and citations, they’re in the PDF; the text is largely unedited, I just removed paragraph markers and numbering. But you’re not sorry, and you don’t respect anyone. You’ll deny and deflect and trot out any meaningless tripe in response to actual evidence, because you don’t want to live in this reality. That’s why I don’t want to engage with you anymore. The best you’ve got is a “nuh-uh 🤡”. Good luck with that, and good day.
Pinpoint exactly how he tried to remain in power.
He tried to get a mob to murder his own vice president.
We were there. It was not too long ago. We remember.
The fact that he’s crap at seizing power doesn’t mean he should get away with it. In fact, guess what usually happens to failed golpistas.
Oh boy. Lay off the Maddow. You were there? In the room? Neat! Bust out the tapes and prove that’s what happened!!!
He did it live on television, you idiot.
Didn’t Trump love to talk about that Alzheimers/Dementia-Test he once took and how well he performed and remembered that 5 things they asked him to remember? This sounds like a joke I already heard. Maybe we can look up the dislike ratio from back then.
I do recall something like that, and I recall him passing it. The dude brags all the time about dumb shit, I will wholeheartedly agree to that.
Your point?
My point?
The statement was: “Replace Joe with the evil orange man […]”
My point is, no need for that. The orange man is way ahead of you. I’d credit him for coming up with that meme, years ago.
Your statement was about the cognitive test he was bragging about, that’s what I was responding to. I fully admit that Trump will brag about anything, not sure where you were going with that statement. If you’d like to take it in another direction, feel free.
Yeah post that are low effort “orange man bad” don’t get shit on and deleted all the time you muppet.
Funny that you call me a Muppet while defending a literal Muppet. You do you.
Literally not defending anyone. Learn to read. It’s in my post history disputing misinformation about Trump and clicking on the post show it as deleted but I know facts won’t get in the way of your feelings.
Oh boo hoo. Show me on the doll where the orange man hurt you
Most literate online Trump supporter.
…tips his hat. G’day!
Show me on the doll where the orange man hurt you
It was right in the democracy. He thought it was my pussy; he’s not particularly bright.
Most clever response yet! He didn’t hurt your democracy though, he didn’t try to keep the opposition off the ballot.
He didn’t hurt your democracy though, he didn’t try to keep the opposition off the ballot.
Yeah he just repeatedly called the election rigged and tried to replace the Biden electoral votes with Trump ones by means of an armed insurrection.
But hey, he failed (just like how he fails at everything else) so no harm no foul. That’s how law and society work, right?
Thanks, but I didn’t need that confirmed by someone who doesn’t know what treason looks like. As to the ballot, it’s no skin off my nose if you want your state to waste every electoral college vote they’re allotted.
Cry more.
And that’s a block.
That’ll show me!
Lemmy feels way worse than reddit when it comes to bias. Tankies and freaks everywhere
I know right!
