Pretty sure climate change is already here.
That, unfortunately, is true.
Yep, have to do all those things all the while it’s too hot/humid/cold/wet/dry in some wild random combination.
Dead end low paying job with no benefits while suffering major burnout, ayo gottem
i got to eat a piece of pork stomach this weekend 😔
I’ve had two servings of soylant green as a treat
What’s wrong with pork stomach? Check out moneybags over here with his fancy bacon.
My advice is to live your life as best as you can without worrying too much about things you can’t control. Try and build a life around yourself that’ll help you be happy through it all, regardless of what happens. Enjoy your 20’s. 30’s are good too and 40’s don’t suck either.
To paraphrase Sun Tzu: do not choose a path to victory. Instead, choose a strategy such that all paths lead to victory.
And don’t have kids.
Don’t want em to suffer worse shit down the road.
This one’s kinda loaded. Imagine everyone just stopped having kids. We’d be extinct.
We don’t need to pump them out like we’re recovering from a war.
Also whose gonna take care of all our old asses in the future? Society was kinda built on this system.
But yes, the population overall does need to decrease.
I don’t care if we go extinct. Once I’m dead reality shuts down since I can only experience it from my POV.
And it’s cute you think we’re gonna allowed to retire instead of dying at work or homeless. Real cute. We won’t have the same luxuries as the damn boomers.
100% agree. We are so fucked for retirement. That term should almost be removed from the dictionary, since it will no longer exist 😅
This one’s kinda loaded. Imagine everyone just stopped having kids. We’d be extinct.
Good
Also whose gonna take care of all our old asses in the future? Society was kinda built on this system.
Let us suffer. If we even make it far enough for that to be an issue.
This is such a depressing and pessimistic view on it though.
Imagine a world where the top humans actually cared and didn’t exist to just exploit the classes under them. That would be a good place to be, but humanity’s greed will never cease to exist.
Have kids if you want. It’s just insane to me to plan your entire life and make major decisions on a cataclysm that may or may not even occur in your lifetime; and it (climate change) may present in ways that we can’t even imagine now.
Edit, fine, fuck me, it’s raining fire and brimstone out there, billions of people are dying in the streets, the horsemen of the apocalypse are here, it’s game over for the human species, my bad. Nobody have kids, it’s over, might as well just shoot yourself right now.
Um… It’s literally happening right now. They told our grandparents “it’ll be your grandchildren who will really suffer”
We’re the grandchildren. Food and water shortages, people dying from the heat, floods, pandemics. All of it is happening in first world countries. The US, Europe, China… Last year, this year, next year
We’re past the “slowly gets worse” phase. We fucked around for that. We’re starting the “find out” phase
May not even occur? Mate, it is occurring right fucking now.
Seriously. This isn’t the bible where people prophitized the world will end in 130ad. We are in it now. This is happening, and educated people have been warning everyone about it.
*Bible apocalypse year estimated
The world won’t end, it will be kinda shit to live in.
I’m not saying the world will end. Just that this time the horrible thing that people have been warning about is actually happening.
When the supply chain breaks down, see what happens.
You thought COVID toilet paper was bad, lol
Maybe we don’t wanna live in a shit world? I have standards ffs.
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Yeah you’re right, it’s game over for the human species, don’t bother having kids, might as well just shoot yourself right now.
Damn dude didn’t take long to throw out the “KYS” card, huh? Spoken like a goddamn bot. This is why we refer to you people as NPCs because everything you say is so goddamn predictable. You do not even have an ounce of original thought in you
Next is go touch grass… no wait you did that already, so why don’t you skip to the calling me a LibCuck and fuck off already, hmm?
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Relax, we’re not having kids cause we can’t afford them.
See, capitalists think of everything!
Spoken like someone with a gambling problem.
Turn off your computer and go outside. Touch grass man, seriously, you guys are out of your fucking minds.
My advice is to learn how to grow food and save seeds. I’m doing it now to develop my skills in anticipation of some day needing those skills.
Still need a solution for water. Also build yourself an earth ship 😂
Honestly I probably will some day…
I dunno, 20s sucked the worst. 30s were sweet. 40s going alright, significantly less depression when you stop giving a fuck about everything.
I am shocked at how quickly everyone is giving up.
We can’t just quit and go gently into that good night. All life on the planet is depending on us.
Bro if we die it’s MUSHROOM SAMBA TIME.
that or cockroaches
Nah mate, most life is going to do just fine, just like it did the past 5-20 mass extinction events in the last 500 million years.
The people however are fucked, but they’re the ones who refuse to listen, so fuck 'em.
Try and build a life around yourself that’ll help you be happy through it all
Lmao good luck with that when global food chains collapse.
Welcome to the battle sphere. 7billion people enter, 1 billion people leave.
How’s your underground bunker going? If you aren’t currently either living in one or building one you should probably stop talking shit about billions dying.
Underground bunkers are a prepper fantasy held by people with masculinity issues. They’re completely useless without supply chains and communities to support them.
What gets people through hardtimes isn’t individualist isolationism. It is collective support, community building and cooperation. The pooling together of labour within groups in order to perform tasks more efficiently overall for the collective benefit.
My understanding is that communities require children to continue existing. People in this thread are saying they don’t want children because climate change. My position is that that opinion is really stupid, and what you just said about communities would suggest you feel the same.
I don’t think there is any particular problem with people having fewer children. It creates a short-term labour burden in terms of having to divert more resources to elderly care but the rate of birth change isn’t likely to change too dramatically to affect much. You just reduce the population over time and that’s fine. Fewer people isn’t a problem as long as the labour exists to support the food, clothing and shelter output you require for the combination of capable + incapable that your community has. Starvation in the short term is the larger concern.
its better to enjoy what you have right now than be worried about the future which is not in your control. i don’t see how being worried will prevent climate change. might as well not give a fuck and live your remaining life doing whatever makes you happy.
You are selling apathy and do-nothing. An utterly abhorrent and amoral position. It’s no wonder the entire of gen z want to kill themselves when people like you are telling them not to worry and just sit around waiting for the end to come.
I am selling the opposite. Join radical political organisations that seek radical change. Take part in building the radical power and actually doing something about it.
No you aren’t selling hope either. Your comment was about 6 billion out of 7 billion people dying. You didn’t ask to do activism or anything… and joining “radical politicial organisations” will get you branded as a terrorist. There is a need for activism but under a capitalist system only profits will matter. There is very little under our control and only enforcing policies at govt. level will help.
I’m not asking people to sit around waiting for end to come. I’m asking them to do things which make them happy whether it’s playing video games or climate activism. Worrying about shit won’t fix climate change, strategical political and economical changes might.
It was like that to illustrate to you the scale of the problem and the scale of immorality hidden within the “just do whatever you want and be happy”.
Get organised. Join radical orgs. Get unionised. How many of you have even bothered to join a union yet? Like the bare fucking minimum. Of the people in this thread I bet it’s a handful. Join an org, go to a 1 hour fucking meeting once a fortnight. It’s not hard, everyone is just lazy as fuck and sitting around waiting for someone else to do it for them.
Absolutely NOBODY will do it for you. The working class must rescue itself. People need to get this through their fucking heads, the system has failed and is not going to reverse course. A new system is needed and only radical efforts are calling for that.
I totally agree with you. I just wanted to put into perspective that being sad and worrying is only detrimental to our own well being. To fight the fight, we need to be resilient. Being in a happy and positive state will help with what you’re suggesting. forcing corporations and taxing their ill-gotten profits is the most basic step we need to do. However, joining unions is hard especially in a poor country like mine. You’ll be kicked out of your company so fast and there are more than a thousand people waiting to take up your job. I’m not exaggerating. Labour laws have been fucked with so hard by the corporations that day to day survival is what most people can think about. Sadly, climate change is the least of the worries especially in poorer countries.
Wonderful political strategy, insulting everyone you’re trying to reach out to.
Mate at some point or another you do need to chastise people for claiming they want change, even posting on the internet about all the change they want to see, “remvolutionnnnn!” they shout, and then they do absolutely fucking nothing about it.
Every now and then a kick up the arse helps. I’m not “trying to reach out” to most of these people, I already know that they’re ideologically where they need to be, they already believe that capitalism will not save the planet, they already believe that every day is a step closer to mass famines and societal collapse, they trust the scientists. They want change. What they’re not doing is getting off their arse and going to people that actually want to do something about it. They inactive, they’re hoping something magical will happen with the existing capitalist political ruling class who have brought us to this cliff edge and that they’ll magically stop us marching right off it. They don’t even believe that they will stop the march off the cliff but something deep deep deep down is still making them hope and pray for the yesterday when they could just stay at home and be politically inactive, where politics was a thing that happened on the news and didn’t impact them too much.
Well that shit has changed and they need a boot up the arse to realise that. I don’t need to reach out to them because they already fucking agree. All we need is for all of them to get off their arse and actually do something.
So yeah I’m fine with how I’ve framed it. If you think I’m “reaching out” to you you’re probably still calling yourself a liberal, you’re not the target.
I’m confident from your other comments that I don’t like the specifics of radical political organizations you mean, but the general message is correct, apathy destroys people and societies.
“I would prefer to starve than have socialism”
Socialism leads to starvation.
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“Global food chains” have lots of strategic depth. When you see a crisis somewhere affecting those and causing famine, that’s usually for the regulation time, not until the crisis itself is resolved, and scaled accordingly, not on the scale of the crisis itself.
Most of the agriculture on our planet works inefficiently. Such an event, if we accept your scale, would just ultimately destroy the producers who do that in favor of those with modern effective means like intensive gardens etc, like many in Israel or Netherlands.
Now, this surely is going to give power to people we maybe don’t want to have it. But this doesn’t mean 6 bln people dying.
EDIT: Forgot to say - climate change is not something which would happen in an instant, so it’s going to be regulated more efficiently than, say, crises caused by wars and revolutions.
Literally every single piece of climate research is predict global food chain collapse. The most recent calls are saying that we will hit tipping points that guarantee this in the next five years.
You are completely out of touch with what is actually being said by the people screaming that we are on the way off the cliff. They are warning that shit is happening much faster than originally predicted, and they were already originally predicting that the food supply collapse would happen by 2040 years ago. This is happening sooner than you realise. Oh and guess what?
Food collapse isn’t something that happens slowly either mate. Everything in our system is interlinked, when part of the chain breaks we will get complete global chaos. Worse though, when things get real bad there will be no more ability for anyone to cooperate internationally. Once chaos begins it will be impossible to both bring down carbon and maintain order with nations of people rioting and dying from famine.
There is an extreme sense of urgency that some of you are just absolutely not getting at all about this.
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I’m not the one fucking saying it. If you ever bothered to read you’d know that it’s the research scientists and professors at the the university of Exeter in one of those links, or the research scientists and professors at the Columbia University in another, or the research scientists at the Anglia Ruskin University in another.
You are literally just a denier. Did you deny covid was serious too? Post some anti mask and anti lockdown shit?
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The entire climate science community holds a consensus on this and you’re attitude is to just call them monkeys. You wanna recite the 14 words next?
Completely sidestepped the covid question I see.
And billionaires took this advise seriously, living life not caring for anything and building life around themselves.
“Kid, don’t you want to work hard and be able to retire in a nice beach house like mine?”
“But your house is isn’t on a beach…”
“By the time you retire, it will be. And it’ll be worth so much then.”
I actually think about this. All those houses that are streets away from the beach are going to make so much more in the future because the beach will move.
Sounds like the people who bought those houses are streets ahead.
Been there, coined that.
I know someone who bought a flat which likely be flooded in 40 years time.
I also know people in California.
Now I’m picturing more typical one story ranch style houses lining the beaches instead of the usual mcmansion monstrosities that block the view for everyone else. Nice.
Look at this beautiful view of debris!
On the bright side you can retire to a coastal town without having to actually move house.
Male pattern baldness is the correct answer actually
Why is it always a male pattern? Can’t I get like… A bear pattern baldness or a hawk pattern baldness?
A whole new wooooorld ! Where the heat will give you a stroke, famine will rise and the rich will hide ! A world where you wish you died or never was ever born. You’ll remember the days of the past and ask yourself why we did nothing but alas it is too laaaate to change anything now. (Aladdin new song )
It’s never too late to find their lairs and slay those dragons.
It’s almost as if we should be spending our time working to mitigate climate change and helping build societal resilience instead of working on meaningless careers…
Can’t do that without money
Very true. Some of us can afford to live with a bit less and recalibrate their life towards improving things. Not all can, though, of course.
at this point we need to be spending all our money on SURVIVING climate change. We can work on mitigating as well, but we’re past the point of no return and still arguing if it’s even an actual thing lol.
It’s funny to see this comment downvoted so heavily (-14 at the time). I wonder if it’s disagreement or just “I don’t like that idea”…
The simple facts are we’ve dumped over 2 trillion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. A bit over half has been absorbed by the oceans. We have no realistic way of removing it. And combined with other GHGs it’s driving an unstoppable global warming. We can talk about reducing emissions and renewables. But even if we stopped all emissions today, it still wouldn’t be enough to prevent the global average temperature from continuing to increase.
I think there are still lots of people holding out hope that we steer off the cliff, but meanwhile we’re still globally using as much fossil fuels as we ever have and while there are things on the horizon the CO2 in the air is not going anywhere. So we are going to have major problems to deal with in terms of human sustainability even if we went 100% green today.
Humans are smart, we need time to change entire species to a more sustainable living. Time we just don’t have. So it’s time we skip the BS and start talking about where we are going to get water, how we are going to farm, how we are going to keep the oceans from destroying our coastlines etc…
If we start now we might be able to mitigate some of the effects of climate change or at the very least make it so not everyone just immediately loses all their assets and/or dies from lack of water or starvation.
Let’s avoid mad max if we can.
I’m not saying we give up the fight on eradicating fossil fuels from our system, but I imagine the downvoters took my post that way. It’s just if you spend about 10 seconds watching CNBC or listening to our politicians you’ll find out pretty quick they don’t care about climate change all that much. Just making money… Even the politicians that do care the best they can do is try to help the “free market” move us to a sustainable future lol. Just not going to work.
We have some major water crisis going on right now in a lot of places in the US. Not just deserts. The water wars will be coming much sooner than we anticipated if we don’t start to prepare for it.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. There’s a lot in your comment. We badly need to mitigate, but we also need to put a lot of our resources into ensuring we survive as a species. A lot of money is needed in the global south, particularly (who have, on large, barely contributed to this problem).
yeah my main problem is while we’re over here still arguing with people about climate change’s existence and the loud solution is to somehow rid ourselves overnight of fossil fuels… Meanwhile that’s all fine and dandy, but even if we stopped using fossil fuels today the damage is there and we’re already seeing critical water shortages in tons of places.
It’s time to accept that we are going to have to live through this to some degree until science hopefully finds a way to suck the carbon out of the air.
The hurricanes, the floods, the droughts… all things we need to start working on solving. Droughts being front and center. We need to desalinate. There is just no way around it. We need to get started on that effort yesterday.
Somebody’s got a case of the Mondays! Have you tried being more mindful?
Ah, the End of the Human Race, wonder what the afterlife’s like? Cause that’s my retirement plan, Valhalla.
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In case anyone is wondering, no one is going to announce that the worker’s revolution has begun. No one is planning it. The vast majority of people in North America don’t believe climate change is real. To believe in an existential threat to humanity is to attempt to do something about it on a grassroots level. Start getting everyone you know to understand what’s at stake. Fuck if they think you’re being annoying or dramatic. The alternative is we all die at our post/desk/cash register of heat stroke or starvation.
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It’s winter where I live. Temperature should be around 10ºC but some places registered 30ºC. And this week we’ll have our 4th hurricane of 2023. My house is old and I fear soon I’ll wake up without a roof.
My anxiety is so bad today. I keep trying to find new ways to deal with it, meds, meditation, exercise, but how the fuck am I supposed to keep up?
Thats the neat part. You don’t
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Wow, thanks for giving us a TED talk. You’re such an inspiration to others.
And you don’t even see how that’s maybe not an option for everyone.
It doesn’t have to be an answer that’s for everybody
tldr high paying job, low COL area. Not everyone can work in IT. I’d say most people don’t want to, other than the pay it sucks.
I
- work in IT
- lived at home to save money
- bought a small condo
- no other debts
- therapist
- crazy high COL
- always frugal
- am stressed
The world is not ending, this is a very slow rolling problem. And humans will solve it for sure. Worst case scenario, quality of life goes down a bit but it would still be much higher than what the average human experienced for 99.9% of our history.
“Many of you shall die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make”
Lol. Well how many people would die if we stopped using fossil fuels? In the end we’ll have to rely on technology to fix this.
We have the technology. Nuclear power can save the planet.
There is no will to put in the work.
Unfortunately, it’s too late to change people’s minds now that they’ve grown up thinking nuclear power is the devil.
“It’s easier to fool a man than to convince him he’s been fooled.”
How do we make it safe with the rise of natural disasters? Nuclear meltdowns are bad for us and the environment.
I’m really looking forward to advancements in nuclear fusion.
Fusion could still take decades, or maybe never happen at all. Modern fission reactor designs are already more than safe enough. We can’t afford to wait any longer.
Fusion is perhaps better, but not ready. We’re out of time, and doing nothing new guarantees death for all.
Modern nuclear reactors, especially ones not trying to turn a profit, and be made extremely safe in almost any environment. Investment in solar and wind is good too, but they can’t handle the current loads needed to keep things working.
Even something as simple as requiring all new construction be outfitted with solar panels would be a step forward, but politics and money will be the death of us all. Literally.
I’m all for nuclear power. What I meant more is about removing the excess greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere.
Maybe more like…goes down a bit in well-developed countries, in areas that are not already prone to natural disasters. We’re already losing people to the heatwave again. Last year, Europe lost a little over 61k, this year it’s 3 entire degrees below that. Heat waves are natural and would be happening regardless. Climate change makes them leagues worse than they would have been.
Areas like Ireland that get a lot of rain are experiencing a dangerous amount of flooding. Areas in the middle east that typically only see rain during the monsoon season are experiencing an even dryer, hotter dry season followed by a much stronger rain that causes increasingly destructive flash floods.
Myself, personally, I live in an area that is typically protected from the worst weather. We do get snow, but most of it ends up being waylaid by the mountains and I feel sorry for those who live there rather than in the plains. The area does get at least one hurricane every year, but it’s deflected by the coastline of the Outer Banks and I have no idea what kind of person still wants to live there, but they’re a trooper as well.
Hurricane Florence in 2018 was the first time in my life I have ever seen a hurricane come this far inland, and they are continuing to do so. For obvious reasons, I do not like this.
The earth isn’t going to shut off like a simulation tomorrow, it is just going to be a slow and steady burn. Which is the biggest reason nobody is doing anything about it – we’re wired for immediate threats. This will never be immediate. The human race is currently the boiling frog, acclimating to their new life in whatever happens to happen.
You would seem to suggest it’s a matter of an annoying loss of comfort, and it’s already not that for millions of people. Rising oceans and harsher cyclones blowing seawater inland have turned the soil and water supplies in Bangladesh increasingly salty. Enough that the salt-water resistant mangrove trees the area is famous for are experiencing a shift in biodiversity as those species with a lower tolerance are beaten out by more resilient competitors. Loss of habitat aside, we’re about to test out exactly how resistant tiger kidneys are to drinking that.
Available drinking water is hard to come by and repeatedly bathing in saltwater causes miserable full-body rashes. Building farms on floating river rafts is an older technique there that addresses the flooding a bit, but the salinity of the river water and the worsening heat are still having their impact on crop failure anyway.
That’s a great post. I can’t add much to it, a lot of that info is new to me.
I think that could be understandable, to be honest. Even just this (apart from where I live) is all stuff I came across scrolling news articles or random tweets. It’s not something I go out of my way to look for every day. Why? Because it makes me feel really bad and there’s nothing I can really do about it. If I could chuck a lemonade over there or ask people to kindly stop drone striking each other, I would. All it accomplishes is causing me more hopelessness than what I already have.
Which is likely why a lot of other people don’t devote a lot of research to it either. It takes a very specific person to voluntarily devote yourself to feeling really really bad, and that kind of interest in events only spreads to the masses when it’s unavoidably happening to them. It’s not anywhere close to idyllic, but most of human nature isn’t and (especially in the face of the internet) we end up whittling things down to our own personal well-being in order to make it manageable.
Tell me you don’t understand the implications of climate change without telling me you don’t understand the implications of climate change. If you think food and water shortages that put 80-90% of the world’s population at risk of death and simultaneously destroys global economic flows humanity has become reliant on is better quality of life than ever you are dillusenial.
It’s not that bad.
I won’t argue about the science because there’s no argument left for that, but if you think money or technology is a magic formula that will shield us from climate change you’re putting a lot of faith in something with very little certainty.
We can do amazing thing when we are united and determined. I trust that as the situation gets worse humanity will rise up to the task.
Humans will solve it?!? LMAO like how we all got together to kill off COVID? Instead of just making it a political problem?
Naw dude, humanity will never ever work together again. If aliens invaded half of y’all be making deals with em so they eat you last.
Quality of life will go down massively for less developed countries. Remember when literally 1/3 of Pakistan was under water? These people had quite low QoL.
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I think this cultural blame on SUV/truck drivers is misguided, and I pedal a bike to work and share a car with my wife. While I try to make responsible decisions, the impact I can have on the environment is tiny in comparison to large corporations and billionaires. Largely my “sacrifice” is meaningless, past giving me exercise and making me feel good about my decisions. If every middle income or poor person in the world did their best within the system to make responsible environmental decisions we would still be headed to, and in, a climate catastrophe. Policy has to change and corporations have to be forced into making more responsible decisions. An electric car is still an incredibly inefficient use of energy. But I can’t force my city to add public transit to make not owning a car viable. Large properties and spread out infrastructure is also killing the environment, but I can’t personally force city councils across the country to scale back single family zoning in favor of multi use zoning.
The main place regular people are failing is not what they drive, but who they vote for, imo.
I think people kind of forget a rather big thing.
Corporations don’t pollute just to pollute. They aren’t just burning coal while their evil CEO is watching it burn laughing maniacally.
Corporations produce pollution while making things for us. If we want them to pollute less then enact laws which demand that, which of course will results in higher prices. Or simply stop buying stupid shit we just don’t need. Or a little bit of both.
Ban planned obsolescence, duh. Once upon a time things would last 10+ years if treated right and maintained as necessary.
Now companies want you to throw away your things after a couple years and buy new shit.
Just adding more to the landfills and junk piles, while milking the poor for every last penny…
When did people forget that 72 inch televisions aren’t a necessity, they’re a luxury?
They forgot that 72 inch TVs were a luxury when advertising and streaming companies paid to subsidize them, so we could purchase them at consumer level all for the low price of our privacy, AND our world! It’s not out of public reach if we just make it affordable for them the worst way possible!
Whatever, you really care abouy CC? Push china and india. Nothung you can do by “walking to work” bunch of BS teying to get “social points”
bruh… I think you WAY over estimate “lots of people” on lemmy or reddit even. It’s small change compared to the BILLIONS who don’t give a fuck
My twenties were nothing like that.
