• Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
    728·
    8 months ago

    It’s bizarre to see people role-playing enthusiastic fascism with the world the way it is right now.

    • Naz
      37·
      8 months ago

      It’s possible to be an anarchist while roleplaying a hardcore fascist in a tabletop RPG. It’s fantasy. Fascism’s best kept as a non-tenable, mockable idea for fiction.

      • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
        513·
        8 months ago

        Rping in a game is one thing. Bringing it into the world with memes and more is just…icky.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          8 months ago

          I don’t understand how the game mocking it and a meme mocking it are different. Care to explain?

          • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
            31·
            8 months ago

            If you were to go into a bar today and shout out “Join the army! All bugs must die!” or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently? Satire is a very thin line, and without context (which most people aren’t going to have regarding this), role-playing this stuff just comes off as the exact thing that is being satirized.

            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
              6·
              8 months ago

              If you were to go into a bar today and shout out “Join the army! All bugs must die!” or something, do you think everyone would know exactly what you were talking about? Or would they maybe think you were promoting some fascist, hateful action among the many others taking place currently?

              First, this isn’t a bar. This is Lemmy, a community on the internet mostly filled with nerds. This is one of the most popular games at the moment. Also, even if they didn’t know the game, odds are they know Starship troopers, and this is just an expanded meme of that.

              Second, no I don’t think anyone hearing you say to kill all the bugs will think you’re a fascist. They might think you’re crazy, but, as far as I’m aware, there aren’t giant bugs we’re at war with in real life.

              I think there’s almost zero chance of this being mistaken as a sincere fascist post, and it’s pretty much harmless.

              • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                8 months ago

                Dude - you asked me to explain and I did. Not sure what you’re really looking for here, but you’re not gonna find it with me.

    • ferretEnglish
      293·
      8 months ago

      Not fascism, managed democracy. The bugs are the fascists

        • paholg@lemm.eeEnglish
          25·
          8 months ago

          One of my favorite lines in the game is (paraphrasing):

          The problem with the bugs is that they’re relentless expansionists. We’ve found them on almost every planet in their territory that we’ve colonized.

          It’s also pretty clear that we’ve been farming the bugs for space oil.

          • BluesF@lemmy.world
            2·
            8 months ago

            It’s explicit, isn’t it? Some of the characters on the super destroyer mention it.

        • ferretEnglish
          45·
          8 months ago

          Doesn’t make em not fascists, and if the solution to FTL travel was just to kill a few bugs, wouldn’t you too?

          • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
            5·
            8 months ago

            You might be thinking of the movie series, not the novel. In the book humans were essentially fascist, you could alternatively label it as “democracy” managed by a military dictatorship.

            The bugs were not fascist, they were meant to represent communist China. Hienlien wrote starship trooper in a couple weeks, as a response to America announcing they were scaling back their nuclear arsenal.

            Also, I don’t think the book ever mentioned FTL.

            • ferretEnglish
              41·
              8 months ago

              I was speaking in reference to Helldivers 2, because the parent comment was talking about roleplaying and people don’t usually use that language around books or TV shows.

              • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
                5·
                8 months ago

                Fwiw, I was indeed taking about Helldivers, though I was referring to the irl “roleplay” of it in memes and in social media, even in communities completely unrelated to the game, like this one.

                Same goes for those that take stuff like Fallout’s Brotherhood of Steel or Warhammer’s Imperium of Man too seriously. This stuff is better left in the context of the game. Bringing it into real life is sketchy at best.

                • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  But this isn’t real life. This is a niche social media site with a very specific demographic, namely huge nerds.

                  Now if someone outside was yelling “I‘M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL 'EM ALL!” that would be pretty awkward. But we aren’t outside so excuse me while I

      • Gnome Kat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        6·
        8 months ago

        I know this is was crossposted to the helldivers sub, tbh i duno anything about it… but the meme image is from starship troopers and its defo a fash government

        • dvlsg@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          8 months ago

          Helldivers is effectively just starship troopers: the game. Same kind of satire.

    • tjsauce@lemmy.world
      24·
      8 months ago

      The fascism in the game is ironic and on the nose in a way that’s easy to laugh at, like “what if?”

      • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
        155·
        8 months ago

        I’m aware. This isn’t the game, though. It’s not even in a sub about the game.

        • TommySalami@lemmy.world
          161·
          8 months ago

          The headline, which very likely isn’t even real, is also not inherently fascistic. If anything its more a statement on people being so stressed with life, that a fantastical idea of going off to live a sci-fi movie life is appealing.

          You’re pulling the fascism from the movie, which is inherently satirical. It makes sense something like that, which was already popular, continues to be so when the satire has more real world connections. You’re on a platform with a ton of nerds, they’re gonna reference sci-fi classics. If anything I’d say that’s a healthy sign. Satire is arguably one of the strongest forces pushing back against fascism and the like on a cultural level.

    • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
      7·
      8 months ago

      Is it? I think externalizing our bad impulses is the only way we as a species could possibly survive. People love to hate. People love to group around shared hate. Internally, that urge causes social unrest and racism, externally it could hit someone else and give humans something to come together around, the hatred of everything else…

      Sounds super cynical, and it is. But we are just dumb monkey tribes who figured out to obliterate their own world with the push of a button

      • TommySalami@lemmy.world
        7·
        8 months ago

        I used to think this way, until I tried writing more sci-fi and I kept running into weird moral quandaries trying to keep stuff realistic on a human level. I genuinely don’t think there will ever be a threat that could rally all of humanity at this point. Not only because I don’t believe aliens are a thing we’ll ever experience, but also because everything I’ve seen points to people being too chaotic. Even the perfect enemy (some bugs that just want to kill us all) would have humans helping them out, a contingent of people who think the whole thing is a deep fake, and a multitude of people preying on the flawed reality of those groups and others to horde whichever resource (money, food, manpower, etc.). That’s before you even get into the various well-intentioned factions that would form around a variety of “best” approaches to the issue.

        I’m not even saying this in a doomer kind of way, I’m rather optimistic and believe we tend to stumble forward. I’m just saying the rally around the flag moment for humanity feels like a total fantasy.

      • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
        41·
        8 months ago

        Except the fictional “fixing” of humanity involves an inhuman “enemy”, a thing that very much happens in real life (dehumanizing others in war or oppression), which tracks because these things are satire of that real world scenario.

        All of this is to say that embracing the fiction without that distinction as satire really just enforces those innate bad impulses you brought up, and we have enough of that right now, imo.

        • lath@lemmy.world
          1·
          8 months ago

          And our governments would totally turn any first contact into a war type thing if they could get away with it. Because the loss of control otherwise would be terrifying to them.

          • Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world
            1·
            8 months ago

            Well, as long as we bring ‘democracy and freedom and capitalism’ to them and win, it’s all good. :)

            It’ll be awful if we lose but I am a firm believer that humanity I’ll be able to handle any of the dangers lurking out there after thousands of years of practice within the tutorial part of our history, aka, when we were still confined to our homeworld.

    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
      14·
      8 months ago

      Probably one of those corporate sponsored memes for that game that ships with a rootkit virus.

      • Sir_Fridge@lemmy.world
        31·
        8 months ago

        You should probably watch starship troopers. It’s a reference for the recruitment videos in that movie.

        • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
          14·
          8 months ago

          Idk, none of this starship troopers content was trending until that game that ships with a rootkit virus came out. The book came out in 1959, the movies are literally from the VHS era, the last film they ever made was 7 years ago and got a 5/10.

    • hswolf@lemmy.world
      16·
      8 months ago

      Have you ever watched The Mist? it would be a nightmare to get captured alive by those horrifying spiders

      For anyone that doesn’t know, the spiders size varies from a tarantula to a dog, and they reproduce by inserting hundreds of eggs inside you, they then eat you alive inside out when hatching

      Also they have acid webs tha shoots like lasers

    • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world
      6·
      8 months ago

      I’d be shocked if we got 40% of the player base to the bot front, I’d say 80% has never seen the creek

  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
    21·
    8 months ago

    [email protected]

    Edit: BTW, since you already posted it there, if you copy the URL for the uploaded image, you can re-use it and lemmy will detect that it’s the “same” post and show the cross-post link to the other post.