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It’s estimated that between 1,000 and 1,200 settlers surrounded the village, and around 500 stormed it just after midday local time on Friday, blocking all the roads in the area.
According to Abu-Alia [head of the village council], the Israeli military arrived at the scene at around 3 p.m. local time, but did not stop the settlers from attacking the village. Instead, Israeli soldiers allowed them to raid homes, prevented Palestinian residents from moving around and blocked ambulances from reaching the injured, he alleged.
Israeli security forces had informed Palestinian officials that the settlers were looking for an Israeli teenager who had gone missing earlier in the day.
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Armed Israeli Settlers are terrorists. Killing innocent civilians and destroying their property to further their political agenda.
Seems like a pretty clear cut case of terrorism to me.
They are state sponsored terrorists.
Never forget, Israel is a terrorist state.
And the US arms them.
They would need to be a few shades darker.
What does it take to drop the word Terrorists?
US would have to switch sides first for that to happen. No ally of the US is a terrorist.
important note - the west bank is not gaza and Hamas has never been in charge in the west bank. the only thing that makes this lynch mob feel justified in its violence is the race of its victims, and the only thing that makes them feel confident they’ll get away with it is that the state of Israel sent armed men to protect them while they carry out their terrorism. This makes Israel an openly-racist terrorist state.
It’s not a lynch mob. It is a genocidal onslaught for capturing land. This is not some emotional reaction. It is a decade lasting strategy of ethnic cleansing carried out by state supported Israeli militias, often directly aided by the formal Israel army in an occupied territory.
We only now get more attention to it, because of the 07. October, but this has been happening for decades and it only ever got worse over the years, because the US and western allies have actively endorsed this. They endorsed this by saying that this is illegal and shouldn’t happen, while singing off on the next billions of military aid and arms deals.
no, this specific event is a lynch mob, the general situation is a genocide
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Could you respond to this point please (from the comment you responded to)…
the state of Israel sent armed men to protect them while they carry out their terrorism.
There’s something called the proportionality principle. Even if your claims are true, this would be a damning admission of crimes against humanity.
it was an attempt to rescue a 14 yo boy kidnapped yesterday (who’s beat up body was found today)
Bullshit. Setting cars and homes on fire, stealing sheep, shooting people, and blocking ambulances isn’t a rescue attempt.
Palestine has a right to defend itself.
But doesn’t get arms shipments comparable to Israel.
Even if it does it would be called a terrorist organisation no matter what they do or not do.
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All the people daring the MSM to call them “terrorists”…
Maybe we should just remind the public how bad the word “settler” is: These are state-armed violent militias whose explicit goal is to displace the indigenous occupants of foreign territories.
Terrorists at least tend to emerge in response to (real or perceived) political disposession. That is not the case here. The settlers are the most privileged class in Israel, rewarded for breaking international law.
And we should probably also remember that oppressors always have legitimate grievances to cite when you question what they’re doing. Nobody ever says “We’re invading this land cuz we want it” in the moment.
“Colonists” might be a good term for them as well.
Why not Invaders? It’s not their land.
Sure, but Colonists brings up a lot of negative history nowadays. Without a doubt, “Settlers” was their chosen term in an effort to control the language used to describe them.
How about inmates? Let’s use that term. And make sure its accurate.
Colonizers.
They aren’t just in a colony, they are actively engaged in colonizing and trying to take more land through violence.
Colonists has more of a controlling government connotation to it. The people stay, but are subservient to the rulers.
This is genocide to completely replace the original inhabitants.
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State sponsored terrorists? It’s not like blowing up cars and burning homes bring a calm mind to the people’s who own the cars and houses…
Wait, there are people upset they didn’t go to terrorists? Well, of course there are, but I was shocked a CNN article even used settler, for the points you made. It specifically invokes taking from the people there to benefit themselves, which I didn’t expect CNN of all places to do.
Hey now that’s antisemitic
The whole Region has just been a cycle of terrorism lately
Terrorists, both the settlers and the IDF.
Why is no one talking about the last part where it all happened because a teenager got abducted? These comments are weird.
Collective punishment is a war crime.
Punishing random members of an entire ethnicity is not helpful and only screws over Israel in the long run. These extremist settlers are making coexistence impossible and that’s intentional since they are the group in Israel who are most opposed to any two state solution.
I don’t understand? Didn’t someone go missing?
That’s the most recent case that provoked this latest pogrom, but Settlers have been attacking Palestinian towns for years. The Israeli Supreme Court ruled that settlers don’t have to be punished equally as Palestinians for the same crimes.
Well for starters it might be because there’s zero proof that Palestinians had anything to do with it. Even if (and again it’s IF) Palestinians had something to do with it, that’s not justification for what happened. Finally, this is just another instance of the increased settler violence in the West Bank (not Gaza), which has seen over 460 Palestinians killed by Israeli fire since Oct. 7th.
Because this part is more shocking? I think if the last 6 months has taught us anything it’s possible to retaliate to something so extremely that everybody ends up thinking you’re the asshole.
To spell it out: this was a very extreme reaction to the problem, mainly harming innocent people which is playing out against the backdrop of what seems to be a genocide.
What if the missing person was your child? And what if it seemed likely they were the culprits? (Serious answer please)
I’ll be able to tell you actually considered this by your answer
If they just seemed like the likely culprits I would certainly not get together 1,000 of my unhinged friends and storm the town, burning cars and homes, stealing 70 sheep and blocking ambulances. Because I am not evil or stupid. Shockingly, they did not get the kid back.
Honestly, I would look for more evidence or more likely, tell what I know to the police. This is how you deal with these problems in civilised countries. Where I am from doing what these people did would get you arrested.
If you think punishing innocent people for this IMAGINED crime (since they do not know and apparently didn’t find the kid) is acceptable you seriously need help. What they did is an unjustified crime, and blocking ambulances from reaching the injured would be the most disgusting thing I’d heard in a long time of the IDF hadn’t raised that bar way too high already.
So there is strong support for Hamas from the Palestinian people. Hamas killed and kidnapped 2000 Israelis. In fact, Hamas still has kidnapped Israelis. And somehow, this according to you is acceptable because you’ve only mentioned how disgusting it is for Israelis to block ambulances - nothing about holding innocent people as hostages.
I’m going to make my point very clear. Blocking ambulances is wrong and disgusting yes. But not talking about literal innocent hostages because it doesn’t fit your narrative is also disgusting
In fact, Hamas still has kidnapped Israelis. And somehow, this according to you is acceptable because you’ve only mentioned how disgusting it is for Israelis to block ambulances - nothing about holding innocent people as hostages.
Sorry but this is pathetic. Can you find anywhere where I actually said that this is acceptable? NO! Because I don’t think it is and would never say so. Feel free to look if you want to waste your time. So why would you make this suggestion? I think I can answer this too:
Blocking ambulances is wrong and disgusting yes
You bookended this with comments about innocent hostages held by Hamas because you think that no matter what Israel did, Hamas are still the bad guys. So rather than just criticising Israel - which you did do, to be fair - you have to put in all of this “Hamas bad” hasbara as well even though we can all read the story of what happened here. You don’t want to just criticize the IDF and settlers even though they are obviously in the wrong here.
The facts in this case are that a group of violent settlers stormed a town full of innocent people on the basis of undoubtedly flimsy evidence to dish out mob justice for a possibly even imagined crime. I don’t know why anyone would have an issue with just calling it out for the horrendous shit it is and condemning the IDF for letting it happen and blocking the fucking ambulances. Where are your morals?
Also, fyi, Israel has plenty of hostages (aka people held in “administrative detention” without charge). Does the fact you didn’t mention this mean that you support it? Or is this all of a sudden a very dishonest way to argue?
Ah yes, the best way to search for missing people: by shooting up am entire village that ended up having nothing to do with the boy!
Because it’s not a valid justification for attacks like this. That’s the rhetoric nazis used against jews.
Proportionality
Fuck israel… fucking terrorists. Genocide victim descendants commiting one of their own. Fuck israel.
I’m afraid we’ve reached the point of no return for Gaza. Israeli settlers are exploiting Oct 7 for maximum effect and are aiming to settle all of Gaza. I really hope the US withdraws all support soon before Joe is fucked. I bet this is not the legacy he wants to leave before he retires.
You are correct, but this particular event isn’t even happening in Gaza.
I think we’ve reached the point of no return for Palestine as a whole without serious international intervention.
This isn’t Gaza and the people who did 10/07 do not have a presence here. Call it what it is - ethnic cleansing.
Agreed. But some damage to Joe’s reputation is already done in my opinion. While I must hold my nose and vote for him, I will always know him as Genocide Joe. This genocide is now his legacy in my eyes.
Honestly, this whole situation in Israel is fucked. But it’s a track that’s been laid down by decades of US policy and the influence of money in politics. Biden is the unlucky president who inherited a millennium of hate that has come to a head. If he tried to stop it, the Israel lobbies and Zionists would destroy him and ensure a Trump victory. This country is so strongly intertwined to Israel and its interests that we cannot separate from them. Notice how Congress is doing fuckall to stop us arming the side committing genocide while also perfectly happy to deny arms to a friendly nation that was invaded and is being destroyed.
US policy is fucked by the greedy bastards at the top who pull the strings.
Damn your reasonable assessment.
Agreed.
Joe is fucked. I bet this is not the legacy he wants to leave before he retires.
probably too late for that
This year I learned that Israelis are inhumane genocidal monsters and should be treated as such.
The settlers, yes. Generic Israelis, no. The settlers have all but shed their “innocent civilian” status. But there are legitimately a lot of innocent civilians still that are not the enemy.
The IDF and settlers are absolutely genocidal monsters that should be treated as terrorists and dealt with accordingly though, I totally agree.
Generic Israelis are largely in full support of this. The settler terror has been going on for decades. It was continued by every Israeli government. It doesn’t matter if Likud and other fascists, or centre or centre-left. Every Israeli government in the past 30 years was voted to continue this.
The Israeli people as a whole bear full responsibility for this. As is always pointed out, Israel is “the only democracy in the Middle East”. If that is true, then the majority of voting aged Israeli citizens is fully responsible for the settler terrorism.
Only those that speak out against it showed that they do not want to be complicit in this. And these are the Israeli people belittled, systematically silenced and accused of being “antisemitic” in western countries. They deserve our full support and highest respect.
Okay, now bring up stats for what percentage of Israelis support zionism.
Let’s see how many good apples are speaking out against the bad ones
not all israeli?
Not all of them, but the IDF and government are abominable.
Generalisations are dangerous.
So is genocide.
No one is arguing otherwise but enjoy pummeling that strawman
the genocide of calling a genocide, a genocide?
What the actual fuck?
oh, ya just got an editorial note that I’m not to use the words “genocide” “ethnic cleansing” and “occupied territory” in relation to a certain state in the Middle East
I hope you’ve enjoyed talking to yourself
Generalizations are what leads to genocide.
UN General Assembly resolution A/RES/38/17 (22/11/1983), page 186:
"2. *Reaffirms *the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, *apartheid *and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;
3. *Reaffirms *the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national unity and sovereignty without foreign interference;"
Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/un-general-assembly-resolution-38-17-november-1983
And they wonder what sparked attacks from Iran, why people in Jordan keep trying to burn down their embassy. Israel as a whole needs to oust Netanyahu or else they will deserve what is coming to them.
Who’s to say he doesn’t have support? I’m genuinely not sure he can be removed.
He’s already demonstrated very clearly that he cannot be peacefully removed, he went to trial for corruption starting in 2016 and decided he was immune in 2020-2021.
Protest by Israelites are not uncommon by any means. Israel markets it’s ability to control narratives online to other countries, but news of dissent has still spread far and wide. Here is an image of Israelites holding up signs comparing Netanyahu to Pablo Escobar
Even some of the Irsaeli military officials are distraught over the situation
Anat Arbel, a reservist in the Israeli army who holds the rank of major, came down hard on Netanyahu.
“This government is fighting us,” he said.
Many blame the current government admin for refusing to reach a ceasefire or hostage negotiation for the 129 known hostages, and 12 hostages have been killed in Isreali Strikes. I say all of this because there is some, however small, opposition in Israel and there is a potential future where Israelites take back control of this situation and walk away minimally scathed.
You know what this sounds like? Anyone ever heard of the Tulsa massacre?
Waiting outside the prison just foaming at the mouth at the chance to kill those they think of as lesser. Those that can be easily blamed for any and all issues.
I am so fucking done with humanity.
Whoa lets hope the people in the West Bank don’t do anything back that would be terrorism and gives israel the right to defend themselves! Get ready to condemn everyone in the West Bank!
