The position as an at-large delegate for the Florida Republican Party will be the highest-profile political role thus far for Barron, former President Donald Trump’s youngest son.
It will soon be Barron Trump’s time to step into the political spotlight.
Trump, former President Donald Trump’s youngest child, who will graduate from high school next week and has largely been kept out of the political spotlight, was picked by the Republican Party of Florida on Wednesday night as one of the state’s at-large delegates to the Republican National Convention, according to a list of delegates obtained by NBC News.
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In a family full of politically involved children, Barron Trump, who turned 18 in March, has retained much more of a private life than his older brothers, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., both of whom will also be Florida at-large RNC delegates, along with Trump’s daughter Tiffany.
“he only raped ONE slave”
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I mean, you wrote a lot of words about defending a slave owner??? Is that something that should be encouraged? You said a whole lotta words but that doesn’t mean you put a lot of thought into it. It sounds like your entire point is just “Thomas Jefferson was bad. But not that bad. But I get it he was bad. Just not that bad.” Woohoo orator of the year. You didn’t address that commenter’s points at all, you literally just went in on the slavery-apologist route.
My point was more that
Jefferson actually wasn’t completely fine with slave owning.
He didnt fuck a bunch of his slaves and have their kids grow up as slaves.
Now, the original point of the OP is right. America was, for a large part, built by white men whose own interests (staying in power) went into the establishment of the country.
“I’m-pretty-sures,” though, just de-legitimize that whole argument, and I happened to have just come off of reading Jefferson’s biography, so I chimed in. Guess maybe I shouldn’t do that next time? I’m not defending Jefferson for slave owning – he was a hypocrite, for sure – but what we know about him (and we know a lot, because he was a prolific letter writer, and many of his private letters have survived) doesn’t match up with the OPs words. It’s important to at least be accurate if you’re going to invoke historical subjects to argue your political point.
Your first point just strikes me as entirely untrue and why I don’t like your post. He owned slaves, and took advantage of that situation with at least one well documented slave. There were contemporaries out there who were publically denouncing slavery, so, no, he doesn’t really get any credit for writing in his diary that he feels bad about all the free labor he’s getting.
You could interpret it as him being two faced, that is true, and a totally valid opinion. I tend to think he felt conflicted, but went with the current attitudes of the time. Still awful, but not exactly completely fine with slave owning.
I don’t know about your point about his contemporaries publicly denouncing slavery. I would guess that no one as prominent as him was that outspoken, but that’s just my guess. A credit to your point, though, Jefferson did say some awful shit in one letter about black people being inferior to whites. That idea was challenged by Benjamin Banneker, a free, educated black man, in a letter addressed to him several years later, and Jefferson was receptive, but didn’t take a hard stance, disappointingly.
I’m still hesitant to completely vilify Jefferson, despite his glaring moral inadequacies, because I think that lends itself to oversimplifying history in general, and hurts us when we are trying to understand the actions of historical figures in their time and place. Not to mention, it gives right wingers ammo to try to label us as revisionist.
We can understand Jefferson in his time and place by seeing that he was upholding and benefiting from the institution of slavery. Just because you personally haven’t heard of antislavery activism in the 1700s, doesn’t mean those ideas weren’t around. He chose not to take them up. Since when have antiracist activists been enabled to become presidents?? He was prominent because he was racist. You are being revisionist if you think that Jefferson was some hero. I assume you would also excuse horrible takes in politicians today.
I mean, all the things you’ve said are true, except that I excuse horrible takes from other politicians today. I never said he was a hero. Or that he wasnt racist. Or that he was even a good person. Antislavery ideas were around, but they weren’t mainstream viable political stances until later, which is probably one of the reasons, you can imagine, Jefferson didn’t push them during his career.
My whole original point isn’t that Jefferson isn’t racist, or that he isn’t a rapist, it’s that he had conflicted feelings, according to his letters, about slavery. Evidently, not enough to stop him from owning slaves, which does in fact make him both racist and a hypocrite. But to assert that he was completely fine with slavery just isn’t true.
If he was not doing anything to stop slavery from happening, and he had as much power as he did, he was fine with slavery.
Then you come in and put down all children by using it as an insult.
When children are talking about world politics do you get down on your knees and listen to their simple, half-understood analysis or do you say “thats nice, now go do your homework.”
That depends on if you’re an asshole or not.
The third option is you talk to children and listen to them and explain and teach.
That wasn’t one of the options you were given but nice try. That’s reserved for my own actual children, not jackasses who have the simplistic worldview of a child. Have you ever tried “explaining and teaching” online?
Yes those poor children…
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Are you vegan? Because with the lab grown meat tech we have now, future generations are going to say shit like “HE ONLY MASS MURDERED ONE TYPE OF ANIMAL BECAUSE HE LIKED THE TASTE”
The amount of mental gymnastics people will do to suck off the image of dead dudes from 200 years ago who designed a dogshit system is too god damned high.
Like, what do you get out of sucking off dead dudes?
I thought they did a decent job of providing historical context while refraining from condoning Jefferson’s actions.
I personally feel you have him too much leniency. My first thought was to get angry because we constantly defy the founding men of the US (in not calling them fathers) and the idea of treating his slaves well and romantically dating a slave are the same talking points confederate apologists use.
I know you pointed this out in your original comment but the only way you can treat a slave well is to free them and you can’t have consensual sex with someone considered your property.
Considering Jefferson considered slavery morally questionable and deciding it was a necessary evil because of the political consequences (while making money off of slavery) he was either a hypocrite or a coward. Especially since John Adams was an abolitionist.
Jefferson was a slaver regardless of his thoughts on it at the end of the day. Let’s call a spade a spade
That is all true
I’m not really doing any mental gymnastics, nor am I sucking him off. I’m just pointing out that you weren’t historically accurate in your comment, despite the sentiment being correct. I also happen to think that history is interesting (despite most of it being about rich white men – lots of credit to People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn) and that its important not to always paint over it with a wide brush soaked with our own modern sense of ethics and politics.
Edit: Also, I’m literally a socialist. You could be less reductive.
Read the post or shut up
Sorry I read it and came to a different conclusion than you. I guess it’s not a shocker this place is also full of conservatives that just want people who disagree with them to “just shut up.”
You should just pack up and go home if you’re going to call Fediverse conservative. It’s the furthest thing from it.
Lemmy.world is literally where all the fucking enlightened centrists hang out. This is a lemmy.world thread. It is well known as the fucking ex-redditor instance. The rest of the Fediverse, by comparison, is deeply leftist, yeah.
Calling this place full of conservatives is one of the most laughably stupid things I’ve read all week. One of my biggest issues with Lemmy is how I rarely see differing viewpoints, since it’s mostly liberals here. The biggest differences in opinions is how liberal are the viewpoints. Hell, the person you’re arguing with basically agrees with you and is just saying there is nuance and context to looking at history.
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You know how we can’t fix the system today because no one agrees?
Yeah… they had the same problem then. That’s why the system sucks. Learn some history ffs.