Hey y’all

So I’ve been a big anti-Wayland shill around here but decided to finally give it a shot, I installed Debian 12 with GNOME, and can’t seem to get Plank working.

Without the Plank dock, GNOME is unusable, and KDE refuses to autostart Guake (does not save the setting in autostart), and when it works it seems broken (stuck to the left side of the screen).

These are fundamental apps to me for any decent Linux laptop use. What gives? Is there an alternative?

  • wildbus8979
    268·
    8 months ago

    Dash-to-Plank specifically says it does not support Wayland. Plank has had an issue open about Wayland support since 2016, and they still haven’t done it. Can’t blame Wayland.

    What’s your use case for Plank? My guess is you’re using GNOME wrong.

      • taladar
        138·
        8 months ago

        “you’re using it wrong” seems more like the official motto of Wayland whenever anything that isn’t working on it is brought up.

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
            12·
            7 months ago

            Well no, I just think this person has the same problematic altitude many of us have. We expect a large amount or work from bunch of Foss developers and we feel that we know everything there is to know about Linux.

            I’m saying they are worse because I can relate.

            • GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
              1·
              7 months ago

              The last past is weird but ok. Though if you think that being toxic is better than expecting too much from FOSS developers, I will do my best to argue as much and as hard as possible.

      • 0oWow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        46·
        8 months ago

        I wouldn’t blame Lemmy for a few bad apples like Wildbus though. There are plenty of good people here.

        • GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
          33·
          8 months ago

          I don’t blame Lemmy even though the official instance (and therefore devs) is kinda sus. They even delete discriminatory comments that I report quite quickly. The thing is that I see toxic comments all the time and what surprises me is that often they’re replies to non-provoking and absolutely reasonable posts/comments (this case is not anywhere near the worst I’ve seen). That means the people behind them are just very aggressive which still hurts me a lot even though I lost hope for humanity quite some time ago. I guess I see a bit more % of them in the wild than you do for some reason

  • antsu@lemmy.wtf
    12·
    8 months ago

    Just echoing what others said, Plank does not run on Wayland. You can install the “Dash to Dock” Gnome extension for a very similar experience (minus widgets). If using KDE, consider replacing Guake (which is GTK) with Yakuake (Qt).

  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    82·
    8 months ago

    The Dash to Plank dev doesn’t want to support Wayland. You could use Dash to Panel or dash to dock instead, they’ve been the community favourites for years now.

    Or of course you could use the standard Gnome workflow.

    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      14·
      8 months ago

      I’ve never heard of either of these things and I’ve been in the community for decades, cheers. I only use Plank itself, not dash-to-x anything. I’ve no idea what that even means tbh as I’m an i3 user usually so I’ve been out of the GNOME game for a bit.

              • leopold@lemmy.kde.socialEnglish
                2·
                7 months ago

                i3 doesn’t support Wayland, not the other way around. It’s an X11 window manager. Not sure why you would expect it to work on Wayland.

                • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
                  11·
                  7 months ago

                  Oh I just thought if this change to Wayland is being pushed so hard by peeps here then that would mean at least the basics work on it haha, well that makes sense.

                  Not sure why

                  Don’t really know what the technical differences are as I’m not a Linux expert by any means especially not when it comes to the relationship between the kernel and the display server, (Def gonna try to learn more with LFS soon tho!) or why Wayland hasn’t added support for window managers yet.

                  Gonna have to stick with Xorg until the Wayland folks make Xorg software compatible