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[ In fake Scottish accent ] They’re natural enemies. Like fascists and leftists! Or neoliberals and leftists! Or moderates and leftists! Or leftists and leftists! Damn leftists! They ruined leftism!
You leftists sure are a contentious bunch.
YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE
You just made an enemy for life!
Gotta prove that I am more left than every one else. /s
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Anti capitalism is just anti capitalism. That’s not a theory for how a society free from capitalism should work. Those theories will of course be diverse, and there will be disagreement.
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Divide and conquer works for detroying social movements, and is one of the ruling classes favorite weapons of class warfare. It’s easy to get agitators to derail the conversation or movement as a whole. There are fundamental differences in what anti capitalists believe should be done and how power should be distributed. I don’t believe all leftists think the same thing, but I believe that the vast majority of “leftist infighting” is just agitation by the ruling class.
I’m gonna have to disagree. Here’s my essay on why:
So .ml would be the worst offender for how quickly they ban anyone who steps outside a particular ML orthodoxy?
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Nah leftists true enemy is the luke warm centrist who will agree in theory but not in action. Fascists are atleast honest and easy to spot. Its the people in the middle who bothsides evey argument till we are sitting here watching genocide happening before our eyes and still nothing is done to stop it.
the luke warm centrist who will agree in theory but not in action
So, like the entire half of Lemmy calling for armed revolution against the US government?
Is there someone we can point to that started this movememt? That sounds like my kinda people
Soooo whens the genocide against MAGA? That’s a genocide I can get behind
Bad bait, go away
That’s why even if I have my own personal views, I identify primarily as an anti-sectarian Leftist. Whether Marxism, Anarchism, or some other flavor of Leftism begins to truly lead the movement, it will be more important to push the movement forward than to spend effort on infighting.
Only a mass worker movement can get any real change.
I can get behind that. I’m not nearly as left as a lot of folks on this platform but in the US we’re so far to the right that at this point we should all just be pulling left. We can duke it out once we move the Overton Window a bit.
I would even argue that open discussion of ideas is fantastic and shouldn’t be discouraged, but that this shouldn’t stand in the way of praxis and collective action.
If Marxist groups are leading the charge and Anarchists spend more time disagreeing with Marxist principles than actually moving forward, or vice-versa, then those people are no better than Counter-Revolutionaries.
Again, if the Revolution doesn’t exactly take on the character I want it to, I am still supporting it far more than criticizing it, because movement to the Left is the primary necessity.
Of all -isms that’s probably Platformism. Whatever helps reach the goal. I find that pragmatic and rational.
I try to be. I have more sympathy towards some -isms than others, but seek an alliance among all with the same trajectory. Strawmanning and bashing other leftists accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Winning an internet argument may seems small, but it’s a brick in the foundation of the next revolution (not to say it’s an excuse to masturbate before the mirror).
I’m with you on that. I hold a strong belief in anarchism or\and mutualism, but if TEH LIBS are those who are helping political prisoners or minorities at the moment, I’d help them to do so. Since my state is happy to torture activists and is soon to ban satanism as extremism with a 10+ year sentences, it seems chameleoning is the only way to keep acting and causing a little, but difference.
Yep. I personally lean more Marxist, I think a worker-state is a more effective means of protecting the revolution, but if my Anarchist comrades make a real breakthrough and pose serious potential to topple Capitalism and establish Anarchism, you bet your ass I am going to side with the Anarchists and not waste anyone’s time fighting against that.
That is very distinctly not Platformism.
It advocates working within existing mass organizations, such as trade unions, in order to transform them into vehicles for a social revolution.
How narrow or broad should we go? They come from a different side, but being flexible and ‘work within what works’ is a pretty close thing. It’s telling ‘anarchism’ is unusually ommited from the name.
The platformist organization itself has a high degree of theoretical unity. The platform was invented because the Ukrainian anarchists were so disparate and constantly bickering about theory that they couldn’t form a consistent strategy.
Dual organizationism and social insertion are not necessarily platformist. They precede it by many decades.
Anarchism is omitted from the name because it is implied. There are no non-anarchist platformists.
The problem is that so many leftists seem to be authoritarians, and they are worse than the current status quo in my book. I do not believe that the path to liberating anything is to oppress anyone, even if temporarily. How do you reconcile that with left unity? Especially when speaking out against authoritarian ideals tends to just get one excluded from leftist spaces?
CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual
This should be required reading in every school
CIA’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
for anyone interested :)
The real lefty nemesis are all the feds who pretend to be leftists until they see any leftist doing any real leftism and then they immediately shove the boot all the way down their gullet
I slightly disagree with you here so obviously YOU are the fed!
/s
I am also here for the fedjacketing.
You just triggered all the tankies. They’re now chanting “nuke the west”.
This is the third time this week.
This is the third time
this weekin the last hour
MLK was spot on about the white moderate.
Malcolm X had similar things to say
You lefty’s are a contentious people.
You’ve just made an enemy for life!
damn leftists, ruined socialism.
Like a Scot and a Scot
You lefty’s
This bothers me more than any political disagreement ever will.
Holds 94% of the same political views, but misuses an apostrophe. Burn him!
The Judean Peoples Front. Or is it the Peoples Front of Judea?
Those damn splitters!
Reminds me of when I was still religious lol. I was a part of the confusingly named Christian Church denomination (or something like that). But hey, because some churches believed in “once saved, always saved” we didn’t get along! Which is hilarious because being away from it now all three of these very devisive topics
- Once saved, always saved
- You can lose salvation
- Pre destination
All are really talked about the same way. If you don’t act in what people believe is a god fearing manner then you were never actually saved to begin with.
But for real, basically every other part of the doctrine is the same. Jesus was the son of God who was fully God and fully human who died and was resurrected 3 days later. But because they taught sprinkling instead of immersion for baptism oh my god what a horrible misunderstanding of the scriptures!
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, “Don’t do it!” He said, “Nobody loves me.” I said, “God loves you. Do you believe in God?”
He said, “Yes.” I said, “Are you a Christian or a Jew?” He said, “A Christian.” I said, “Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me, too! What franchise?” He said, “Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?” He said, “Northern Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?”
He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region.” I said, “Me, too!”
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.” I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over.
–Emo Philips.
If you’re motivated, I recommend this video (peertube) where he does an exegesis about Jesus, who becomes the most radical lefty against the church.
Feels sadly true sometimes
There’s a reason for the “joke”: if you put 3 leftists in a room out comes 5 political parties.
Don’t forget leftists that actually share all the same views but describe them in slightly different ways.
I’m in this picture and I don’t like it.
