• Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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    It’s weird to see the traditional roles getting reversed here

    Where the established order would usually represent the conservative side of the schism, here the conservatives are the schismatics with official doctrine, to the degree of even rejecting official decrees where it suits them or even if it really doesn’t just because they hate modernity (see the weirdos still using latin despite not understanding it at all)

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      Yeah, because they aren’t actually conservative. They’re regressive, if anything.

      For these guys, if the Pope disagrees with them, then they’ll reject the Pope. Most of them probably already identify as Christian, not Catholic, anyway. (They probably wouldn’t say Protestant, if they were more specific it would probably be because they were Baptists or something.)

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        I’ve been hearing people say “not my pope” for years now. Oh, and that Jesus was too “woke” and weak, turning the other cheek.

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      It happens in Catholicism sometimes because liberal Catholics just ignore shit and get ignored until they start leaving. The church has understood this since the Protestant reformation.

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    I despise a lot about religion but I have enjoyed seeing the Catholic Church slowly become a bit more accepting of humanity’s nature by being more inclusive with the LGBT population and now seeing this. It gives me hope that religion is capable of growing alongside people and adapting to something better than it is has been and is.

    I support religion as long as it gives people a sense of community, hope, and strength. When it starts taking things away, being oppressive, and not holding its officiants accountable for wrong doing, it’s wrong.

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      I support religion as long as it gives people a sense of community, hope, and strength.

      I used to feel this way. Then 2020 happened and I realized just how damaging any degree of magical thinking and faith based reasoning was for a society.

      I no longer think there’s an innocuous amount of irrationality. Just varying degrees of social harm that come with any of it.

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        If it’s personal don’t answer, but are you going to dump the theology studies? I am a bit curious, since when I lost my faith I lost my interest in doing academic work on theology.

        If you do please publish your stuff on the Gospel of Thomas first.

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          Not at all. I have never believed in the supernatural, so that’s not related to my interest or lack thereof in the material.

          I am actually toying with the idea of writing out some of the Thomas research in more depth soon, actually.

          Still not under a real name like with a book or anything, but some longer posts vs just comments.

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    6 months ago

    #NotMyPope

    American catholics have long disfavored papal influence so this isn’t likely to change any minds. Additionally, while the pope is mostly a piece of shit, this is a nice move - so it’s broken clock time.

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    It’s crazy how every country and Earth is allowed to have immigration laws and policies in place, except the US…for some reason, it’s so controversial.

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      Most of the world is wide open my dude. You fill out the paperwork and register in the right places and you’re set. The US treats it like a mixture of war and prison.

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        Because most countries are not like the US. The US is one of the most sought after countries in the world to live in, while also being one of the most hated by countries all over the world. My safety is important, I don’t want some dude to just come in and decide to blow himself up in the middle of LA.

          • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
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            They probably are but at some point we (1st world) will have to literally wall off from climate immigrants a la trump or collapse

            Considering we are built on suffering of many (mines,nestle,clothes,electronics) it won’t change much ethically. It’s like a next logical step

            Here in EU we solve it by opposing naciopopulists and saying: “yes we need walls but our walls are better, civilised walls, good guys walls, morally better”

            It’s just that the whole thing is so long gone that even the semi left prodemocratic majority is openly saying we won’t let them in otherwise they would lose a good chunk of voters I guess

            r/Europe is like as anti immigrant as you can be without being racist and that’s pretty good gauge on the ppl moods

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            Oh brother…Reddit 2.0: “Hey I disagree with you, so you MUST be a racist!!!” Lol…

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          Because most countries are not like the US.

          It’s odd to see this level of American exceptionalism in the wild.