Conservatives look at this picture and see intolerant antifa extremists invading a peaceful conservative country because they have different political opinions.
It’s right there in the name - Anti-FAscist. If someone thinks AnTiFA is bad, check if they’re waving fascist flags before engaging in any debate with them in a good faith.
Conservatives are incapable of good faith arguments. It’s completely pointless trying to argue with them about anything
The problem is, they don’t think being anti-fascist is bad, they just don’t think the fascists that Antifa is against are actually fascists.
Most of them have no clue what antifa actually says or means — nor what facism actually means
I’d wager almost none of them do.
And the DPRK has “democratic” in its name. There are so many better arguments to use.
And Nazis were originally socialist. The list goes on…
No, they weren’t. They famously co-opted the “socialist” name because the actual socialists of the time were by far the largest voting base. It was an attempt to attract some of them to their own party.
Like everything a conservative does, putting the word “socialist” in the party name was deception and manipulation. It’s like when conservatives append the word “freedom” or “family” to something that is absolutely not supportive of those values.
The far right party in Switzerland. Is called Union Democratique du Centre in French (Democratic Union of the Center).
Good to know. Thank you. I will use that as a modern example in the future.
I’ll bet you think FedEx is run by the government because it’s got federal in the name.
Wasn’t the issue the use of “antifa” by US “press” to describe anyone violent at any protest? I’m not American, here in EU it’s not a term that is used, at all.
Antifa movement originated in Germany.
That’s ultimately what it ended up being. 10 years ago your average person had never heard of it. And your average redneck was completely clueless about it. But over the last 10 years corporate media has turned it from an obscure group from World War II Europe. Into one of the new Boogeyman they constantly beat against.
This was largely due to the fact of the groups rather libertarian / anarchist structure. There aren’t any real Representatives or any solid membership etc etc etc. Just a nebulous group that’s easy to misrepresent.
Aunt Tifa is evil! /s
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Yeah conservatives in 2019 were really riled up by the Antifa boogeyman they created and congress labeled them terrorists. Bill was introduced by Republicans - co-sponsored by Ted Cruz. What’s your point? 🤷♂️
EDIT: Remember, Jesus loves you.
Sure as shit doesn’t love you though
Jesus loves everyone, supposedly. He is however supremely disappointed in that guy, I’m sure.
I’m pretty sure Jesus would make an exception just for fuckwits who think antifa is a terrorist organization
Jesus can fuck off. I’m in a committed relationship with reality.
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Antifa literally means anti-fascist. The guys who stormed the beaches of Normandy were “antifa.”
The guys who stormed the beaches of Normandy were “antifa.”
Many of them were quite literally Communists. The party membership was at its peak during the Great Depression, and American Communists were big advocates of US entrance into the war in the run up to Pearl Harbor. Lots of Americans saw the Western Front as an opportunity to aid their besieged allies in Soviet Russia.
At the same time, you had pro-Nazi sympathizers who thought we should simply profit off the war by selling to both combatants, or even enter the war on the side of the Germans. The German-American Bund held rallies in New York and Chicago, hoping to win the public over to supporting Germany in its war against the eastern Communists.
We had a very real and notable split in public opinion on the subject of which side of the war to support in the run up to the Japanese attack on Hawaii. And even after the war, many American conservative politicians remained sympathetic towards the defeated German government in a way they hadn’t been towards the Kaiser’s Reich of WW1, the Spanish during the Spanish-American War, or the American Natives.
The party membership was at its peak during the Great Depression, and American Communists were big advocates of US entrance into the war in the run up to Pearl Harbor.
Fucking bizarre, considering that for the first two years of the war the US Communist Party followed the ‘party line’ and slobbed the knob of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
We had a very real and notable split in public opinion on the subject of which side of the war to support in the run up to the Japanese attack on Hawaii.
Like fuck we did. Jesus Christ. The only question of relevance was whether to join the war or not, not whose side to join it on. Do you enjoy spreading pro-fascist disinformation?
The D in DPRK stands for democratic. Not calling Antifa fascist here, just saying that an organization doesn’t stay true to it’s name.
Frankly, I hate the narrative that Antifa is an organization. I’ve never met with anyone who was part of Antifa, but I know I would tell nazis to get the fuck off my street if they were marching down it.
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What “organization”? There is no antifa “organization”. Anti-fascism is an ideology. If you are opposed to fascism, you are anti-fascist.
Don’t worry. I’m not accusing you of being opposed to fascism.
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The bill you reference was introduced by an outspoken fascist, though. So that makes sense.
Also, the bill was not adopted.
Congressional bills proposed by … fascists?
That’s not “all.” You’re a fascism apologist.
Introduced, not passed. They are not a terror organization and calling them as such is an attempt to discredit a political movement for the sake of fascists and racists. There have been analyses, reports, and studies that have concluded that antifa is not a major domestic terrorism risk.
The only problem “antifa” is causing in the U.S. is having the nerve to complain when cops murder them and the cops never face any consequences.
Changing out the words “antifa” and “marijuana”, then citing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs
A 1962 issue of the Commission on Narcotic Drugs’ Bulletin on Narcotics proudly announced that “after a definite transitional period, all non-medical use of narcotic drugs, such as opium smoking, opium eating, consumption of cannabis (hashish, marijuana) and chewing of coca leaves, will be outlawed everywhere. This is a goal which workers in international narcotics control all over the world have striven to achieve for half a century.”
The Government Said It So It Must Be True!
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If the people they are terrorizing domestically are Nazis, I’m fine with that.
Introduced congressional resolutions are not known for their objectivism. I’m not saying the opposite is true, only that what something is has very little to do with what individual political figures want it to be. I mean, Indiana tried to legislate the value of π to be exactly 3.
fascist rhetoric
Lemmy.world account
Why am I not surprised.?
Can we please rise above the shitty server wars? There’s bad actors on all servers.
There are, but .world has a much higher percentage of Zionists and otherwise fascist users. That’s generally what happens when you defederate from Marxist instances and punch anyone left of liberals, right wingers find it safer there.
Of course, MLs are notoriously hostile towards Nazis, right? Definitely didn’t spend almost a decade cooperating with the Nazi War Machine and then signing a non-aggression pact to genocide the Polish people together, with all of the good MLs in other countries following the party line.
Oh, it’s the resident ultra-liberal, somehow too leftist for Marxism yet always capable of seeing nuance within liberalism. Funny how that happens.
Either way, the USSR didn’t cooperate with the Nazis. After the Polish government fled Poland to Romania from Nazi invasion, the USSR took back land they lost in the 20s during the Polish-Soviet War, to prevent the Nazis from taking it. Do you genuinely think the correct thing would have been for the Soviets to let Poland be taken completely by the Nazis?
Did the fact that the vast majority of Nazi deaths in WWII came from the USSR happen because they were such good friends?
You don’t have to like the USSR, there were numerous issues with it, but pretending that they were friends to fascists is just pure Red Scare anticommunism. I do think it’s in line with your other anti-Marxist takes, like your disapproval of the Black Panther Party.
This poster needs to be on every fucking wall
I’d love to print this on a yard sign and stick it out by my sidewalk if I wasn’t absolutely certain it’d get my tires slashed or worse.
Print it out and stick it in the yard of any pro-Trump neighbors.
what if you get caught doing it?
Claim you weren’t putting a sign in their lawn, you saw some kids leave it and were pulling it out!
sounds similar to the brown shirts
Send the word, send the word, over here?
Affirmative
I wonder if theres a high quality version, I’d love to print out large versions and post them all over town.
You could probably use an image upscaler. You can find free options on the Internet.
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Not a meme, unfortunately.
If they were serious about stopping fascism being the priority they would have been happy to vote for someone other than Biden in the 2020 primaries. Stopping fascism isn’t their priority. Their priority is to maintain neoliberal policy and using “stop fascism” as a cover.
They probably did…
Then where are all these people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries?
Nobody is willing to stand up and say “That was me. I voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries.”
I saw plenty of Biden yard signs in early 2020 in my area, but most of my family is more progressive than your typical Biden voter.
Younger, less “establishment” voters tend not to vote in the primary anyway.
For reference, Biden got almost 20 million out of 36 million votes in the primary. He got 81 million votes in the general election.
Great. Sounds like they don’t need our votes then. They can get their geriatric procorporate genocide supporting trash of a human being elected all on their own.
Yeah… why do you think only 1 out of 4 of his General election voters picked him in the primary? You seem a little confused.
I voted for Biden in the 2020 general. I didn’t want to but he made a good show like he was going to work with progressives and leftists during his term. Now I and and others know better. We didn’t want to vote for him before and we won’t vote for him again. You’re the one who’s confused.
oh come on he only said he’d be a dictator for one day. that’s not that bad, is it?
But but Biden still hasn’t climbed into a fighter jet and bombed Netanyahu’s house!! Nor has he taken a programming course to create a virus to inject into the IDF’s targeting systems to redirect their missiles back onto them!!! Biden bad, not gonna vote!!! /s
It’s not just Trump tho, a majority of current Republicans in Congress also support fascism. Even if we’re not fucked this November, the pendeullm swings both ways in the US, so sadly at some point we will be beyond fucked. Vote and shit, but enjoy your lives while we can, the next ~30 years are really, really gonna suck blue balls.
Is that ww2 or Korea era edited propaganda?
It’s not like it matters really, Americas role in both wars was to take the reins of fascism instead of oppose it…
In WW2? What?
Operation Paperclip and the original NATO convention were focused on technological and territorial control of the Atlantic seaboards and the Eastern Pacific. You also had US support for Fascist Spain in the run up to the war and endorsement of the theocratic government in Saudi Arabia.
Following the end of hostilities in 1945, much of the original German command structure was reintegrated into post-war western bureaucracy. This included NATO high command including former Nazi officers and the Allen Dulles Era CIA working closely with German ex-pats across Latin America, West Africa, and the Middle East.
The US turned to post-war fascist organizations as part of Operation Gladio, primarily in Italy and Greece, as well as during the various coups from Guatemala to Chile from the 50s into the late 90s. The Apartheid Regime of South Africa was also a US backed fascist network, responsible for arming many of the neighboring juntas Angola, Congo, and Kenya, among others. The web of ex-Fascist military officers that ran through all these Atlantic Coast combat zones runs thick.
Operation Paperclip and the original NATO convention were focused on technological and territorial control of the Atlantic seaboards and the Eastern Pacific.
Phew! Good thing it was only the Big Bad Capitalists doing that, am I right
You also had US support for Fascist Spain in the run up to the war
The literal opposite of the truth. But I guess the guilt of having MLs backstab the leftist opposition so Fascist Spain could win hurts your point, huh?
America, France and the uk embargoed arms sales to republican loyalists. The famous Abraham Lincoln brigade was volunteers, not the american government.
Message == good
Graphic == huh
You’re wayyyy past electing a fascist, boy!
People forget Reagan. And the Bush Klan. Ole Prescott Bush was connected to the Wall street putch. He missed his chance at US dictatorship. But he groomed his son and grandson well. To cause as much damage as possible. “Mission Accomplished” Am I right?
Prescott and his fascist cronies were stopped by an actual patriot, retired general Smedley Butler. A man who so despaired of the wars he helped wage that he became an anti-war later in life.
I’m sure you know this since you are aware of the plot, but I’ll never miss an opportunity to bring up this American hero.
Yes. Though they unfortunately were not stopped. Just largely delayed unfortunately. FDR playing fast and loose cut a lot of backroom deals which led to the temporary New Deal programs. Which were a great thing in the short term. But as a concession hr let a lot of the fascists go and kept a lot of the information from actually becoming public. And as a result. They’ve largely dismantled the new deal policies. And spent the last century simmering and growing stronger and stronger till we get where we are today. Butler was absolutely a hero though.
Same shit every time. Bunch of Nazi scientists? Why prosecute when we can use them!
I just don’t know anymore. Squash fascists and someone always finds a way to let way too many off the hook. Let them come into the open and we get… the nightmare timeline we’re in now (thanks Ms Schlafly).
don’t almost every us president in recent memory?
In terms of Republicans of last century? Sure. In terms of democrats? No not really. Obama, Biden, and Clinton are not fascists. They are just appeasers. Which is definitely not a good thing but very different.
if you sit on the table with nazis, and even work hard to appease them, what are you really?
