• boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    What’s your (or any master/guru you know) guidance for people to stop working. Is it truly catch-all and trying is enough?

    I’m very interested in the topic and love new perspectives

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      5 months ago

      Trying is definitely enough to realize that it’s possible to meet your goals if you know what your goals are.

      Values determine your goals.

      My values were maximizing time spent as I saw fit.

      My goals were to continue all of my hobbies and interests while maximizing time for myself.

      If that’s all you want to do, if those are the most important things, then it’s pretty easy to achieve that in multiple ways.

      One solution isn’t a catch-all, but there are so many solutions that you don’t need a catch-all.

      I’m definitely not a master or guru; i tried a bunch of things to meet my goals and a few of them worked and work for other people.

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        5 months ago

        Personally I’d agree on similar values and goals but my personal anecdote side tracks from the point of an accessible solution to anyone. Even I’m in a more privileged situation than an average human and still have issues with the income-expense equation yet to solve, not for a lack of trying.

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          5 months ago

          This is another very common rationalization for inaction.

          That’s why I said there are multiple solutions to this problem for the set of values.

          If your argument is that a single solution doesn’t work for every single problem for every person all of the time?

          Of course not.

          You can own the perfect pair of pants, but your pants aren’t going to feed you.

          That is a separate problem.

          But that sort of anxiety exercise has no bearing on the practical solutions for maximizing your free time while working less.

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            5 months ago

            I think you might’ve misunderstood?

            I don’t have that argument (or any arguments) in any of my comments and I don’t believe there’s a single solution to everyone.

            I have only been interested in the framework that relies only on trying to see if there’s anything new to apply to my or any different situation.

            Clarifying(?) edit:

            Sure I think I see you champion a mindset shift, and that is definitely what most people would first need. In addition to that, there’s hard math that needs to work. Similarly; a person might want to become an entrepreneur, they have that anxiety or fear of leaping to the unknown I detect from your message. When they cross that barrier, they also need to have the numbers which are sustainable. A wonderful can-do attitude and trying again and again but with failing numbers isn’t enough.

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              5 months ago

              Maybe I am misunderstanding.

              There are definitely multiple effective solutions to your or anyone’s situation to maximize their personal free time and work less.

              Trying(by which I specifically mean enacting those solutions) is the largest stumbling block I’ve encountered for anyone to implement those solutions.

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                5 months ago

                Sure. I appreciate the view, even though I can’t verify if a lack of trying is a common thing or not. Personally I’m past that issue.

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                  5 months ago

                  Do you mean you’ve personally exhausted all solutions to your desire to maximize your own without success?

                  What do you mean you’re past that issue?

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                    No I don’t mean I’ve quit trying. I mean that I am past needing the will to try. I’m equipped with it forever, and am actively continuing to pursue solutions.