I just can’t fathom how a woman can overpower a man in that manner. Even if a woman is physically stronger than the man. If a man really doesn’t want to, how could she even make him erect by force, let alone force it inside her?
I feel like I’m too ignorant on the subject. So please, anyone, enlighten me.
p.s. Statutory rape I do see how that would happen.
Power over another person, the prerequisite for most sexual violence, doesn’t have to come from superior physical strength. It could come from an age difference, a professor-student or boss-employee dynamic, or some form of blackmail, for example. And the body can experience physical arousal in response to the right stimuli even when you don’t want to have sex. You can also do acts of sexual violence that do not require an erect penis.
It can also happen after you consent to SOME intimate acts, but not others, and the other person can take you by surprise. (That one has happened to me, im not male though)
Or through blackmail.
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Rape does not always involve physically overpowering someone. Someone may coerce someone else into sex with blackmail, lies, threats, or abuse of a position of power.
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Erections are controlled by a person’s autonomic nervous system. A man can get hard even when he is not turned on or consenting to what is happening.
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Not all rape involves a penis. A woman who sticks an object into a man without his consent is committing rape. Rape is about power and control over another person, and the rapist need not be directly stimulated for rape to occur.
Number 3 in many states is legally not rape. In many states rape is legally defined as someone inserting a penis into a vagina. As fucked as that is, often people suggesting changes to the laws to make them more accurate to reality, end up getting vilified as some sort of apologist or predator themselves.
UK too https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape
A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
© A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
So I guess Mark was not raped.
Which US states?
This answer is from Kagi’s search summary: I don’t know how accurate it may or may not be:
As of 2024, the specific U.S. states that only define rape as requiring penis insertion are:
- Alabama
- Florida
- Idaho
- Kansas
- Louisiana
- Mississippi
- North Carolina
- Oklahoma
- South Carolina
- Texas
These states have not updated their legal definitions of rape to include other forms of sexual penetration or oral sex, which can lead to underreporting and inadequate prosecution of sexual assault cases. It is important to note that federal law and many other states have broader definitions of rape that encompass various forms of non-consensual sexual contact.
Overwhelmingly southern states. 🙄
Idaho is southern even though geographically it’s not
color me f*ing surprised.
The “abuse of a position of power” is what companies do nowadays… “either you click on agree to these new TOS or you can’t use Disney+ anymore, we don’t care if you paid until October”
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Maybe it helps with understanding when you think of examples of female rape that isn’t a stranger beating up a woman in a dark alley.
Like Harvey Weinstein. Countless women have come forward about rape and sexual violence from him. I doubt he always used physical violence on these women. But he was this all powerful person in the filmindustry who could and would destroy lives and careers with a wave of his hand if you’d deny him.
Very often rape and sexual violence comes out of a power dynamic where the victim (no matter the gender) feels they don’t have a choice. Physical violence does not have to be involved.
Coersion. For example, “if you don’t have sex with me right now, we’re breaking up/I’m divorcing you/I’m going to ruin your life by doing xyz.” And when you say no, she’ll threaten to call the cops on you for some made up bullshit, but they’ll believe her over you because she’s the woman and you’re the man.
Also, you don’t have to be erect to have someone force you into performing sex acts. She could force you to perform oral on her, she could grope you, she could even penetrate you.
But if this happens to you, fight back.
I knew this post wouldn’t be a very “positive” one. But man that’s messed up. I think I understand now.
But if this happens to you, fight back.
But remember, YOU will be going to jail if you do.
It’s not right, but it’s the truth
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you can get a boner without intellectually wanting to have sex. One of the fucked up things about rape is the body still is activating the chemicals that cause pleasure which fucks with the head of the victim and it does not matter what direction the rape is in.
There is one case I know of personally, I don’t think it technically falls under the description of rape but I consider it rape. Husband & wife, wife wanted kid. Husband did not. Their birth control was pill-based oral contraceptive. Wife very purposefully moved off that birth control without telling the husband, husband was just raw-dogging her because “she was on the pill”…lo & behold…she gets pregnant.
She’s not very smart, and she has told a number of people about this deception & laughs about it. HAHAHA, oh, so funny, yeah that’s rape. You took advantage of your husband & used his reproductive abilities against his explicit wishes. You raped your husband. Had yourself a little rape-baby. Hilarious stuff (stupid broad).
Again, I don’t think that’s currently covered under rape. But goddamn I think it should be (although it’s harder to prove without confession/admission).
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Would he have had unprotected sex with her if he knew the truth? If not it’s pretty rapey. What if it were the other way around and he had slipped the condom off without her knowledge?
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The only difference between it being forcible rape and it being “deception” is that the victim doesn’t know the real situation. It’s still forcing them to have sex against their will because if they knew the truth they would resist. The dictionary also supports this being rape.
rape 1 of 4 noun (1) ˈrāp Synonyms of rape 1 : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person’s will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception
I remember one guy telling his story that he was raped by a pregnant woman. He didn’t want to hurt the baby so he couldn’t force her to stop.
From my viewpoint, it’s usually more of a coercive thing. Something you’re not necessarily entirely opposed to, but you might rather not, and in order to avoid a situation you might perceive as bad in a different way, you relent and allow it to happen, leading to years of questioning whether it even was rape or not, even though what it does to you mentally is irrefutable.
So you mean like a woman beats (or like really harasses) a man and in order to keep her at ease he relents? (English is not my first language)
A lot of aggression in this comments with this is literally no stupid questions.
Sexual assault comes in many forms and men are and can be victims of most of them. Coercion, violence, emotional manipulation, drugs or alcohol, the list is the same regardless of gender.
As for an erection, it’s a biological response so they don’t correspond to desire/attraction/consent. Many women who are raped get “wet” and even orgasm, but that does not indicate pleasure or consent. It’s actually one of the reasons rape victims feel very guilty about the event. “If I didn’t want it/hated it/was scared, why did I cum?” That reasoning is also part of why people don’t report rape. They think that having an orgasm will hurt their chances to press charges or win because “they enjoyed it”
Rape can also happen between consenting people as well. In fact, quite a lot of what is and should be considered sexual assault/rape, is a partner “going too far” or doing something their consenting partner didn’t consent to.
Healthy sexual intimacy requires clear communication, setting boundaries, and making sure those things aren’t broken. The kink/BDSM community is an extreme form of sexual pleasure, and despite literal violence and pain, there is always consent at the forefront and there is always an “opt-out” or safe word that ends the encounter with no second guessing.
Rape can also happen between consenting people as well. In fact, quite a lot of what is and should be considered sexual assault/rape, is a partner “going too far” or doing something their consenting partner didn’t consent to.
Say one partner (A) did something to partner (B) which B did not consent to initially. B says this to partner A afterwards to which she replies “Sorry, but I was really close.” But she sort of promised to not do it again. What would you make of that?
It would def have to be a discussion, but that would by default be sexual assault
Bodily autonomy and safety around boundaries are paramount over “finishing”
No means no, and yes means yes until a no
I think some jurisdictions count it as rape if the victim consented under certain circumstances, but the rapist changed those circumstances.
Like consenting to sex with a condom on, but the rapist removes the condom and continues.
Erections are a biological response to stimulus, desire is not required.
For example a man could be overpowered, tied-up, and teased manually until erect. This is only one possibility but there are many other ways
Also penetration doesn’t need to happen for it to still be considered rape.
Also penetration doesn’t need to happen for it to still be considered rape
Depends where you are. In many localities this is exactly false, and in those localities by definition women can’t rape men, unwanted sexual contact by a woman would be sexual assault at best unless she penetrates you.
Yes, it’s fucked up.
Yeah, I had initially thought there was a nationwide standard and am finding out that there isn’t.
Prior to my coming out to myself, I was SA’d by a woman after being drugged.
The many, many mental struggles that followed brought me to the basic realization that everybody, well, maybe not lizardpeople, but the rest of us all bleed if somebody just shot us. Sure, I was drugged, so it helped with feeling weak at being assaulted, but even if I hadn’t been drugged, it wouldn’t have made it any more my fault. Im not saying like “if she had a gun you’d still…”
Anyone can be convinced by a horrible person that they won’t be safe unless they do something they don’t want to do. Gender, Chromosomes, Sexuality have no effect on that. -Full stop-
There are a few misconceptions in your logic.
- Force is required to rape
- Erections are controllable
Both of them are easy to disprove, but not obvious at first sight.
For 1 consider any case where a woman might have power (not physical) over a man, e.g. blackmail, teacher, parole officer, boss, etc. Another possibility to remember are weapons or physical threats to a third party. Also you should remember that humans have a fight/flight/freeze response, so a third of humans would just freeze regardless of being able to overpower their attacker. Finally there’s also the possibility of even without any threat, even being able to think properly, and knowing that he could physically overpower a female attacker, a man might not do it for fear of legal or moral repercussions, e.g. being thought not to hit girls or believing that no one would believe that he was defending himself. In fact lots of women who get raped don’t try to fight back or escape, believing (sometimes accurately) that their attacker would worsen the offense if they did that, e.g. by killing them (even if no threat was made), it’s not uncommon for rape victims to feel ashamed and guilt about not having fought back, and by saying that men can’t get raped because they could theoretically overpower their attacker you’re indirectly saying that any woman who doesn’t fight back with all her might is not being raped either, because they could have overpowered their attacker of they tried.
For 2, erections (and even ejaculation) are physical responses, in fact you can make a corpse get a hard on and cum (some wives do it to preserve their husbands sperm). This is no different from women getting wet or having orgasms while being raped (both of which are common), it means nothing, it’s just a physical reaction to a physical stimulus. In fact lots of victims (both men and women), especially those in abusive relationships think they deserve that because of those physiological reactions. To put it in simpler terms, saying a men can’t be raped because if they got an erection it means they wanted it is like saying that people can’t be stabbed because if they bled is because they wanted the knife.
Usually it’ll be something like,
“If you try to put up a fight I’ll scream, guess who everyone’s gonna believe?”
Or if you’re really unlucky,
“Be my baby’s daddy!”, suddenly locks legs like a vise and begins grinding like there’s no tomorrow
With girl on guy it’s a lot less about physical overpowering and a lot more about weaponized social biases or lying about the intent of consensual sex for the purpose of trapping them into something.
If you’ve seen the infamous “Female Dating Strategy” forums, a lot of “tricks and tips” they come out with to “lock down your man” or “make him commit already!” basically amount to some form of Girl on Guy SA, either socially blackmailing them with the fear of you dragging them into a public accusation, which they aren’t ever gonna recover from even if found completely innocent, or by sabotaging contraceptives or tricking him into finishing inside to make a baby on purpose and then trying to shotgun wedding the whole thing.