• grue@lemmy.world
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    But seeing as it’s a free account, it’s their prerogative

    Oh, so not charging money magically exempts companies from meeting ADA accessibility requirements for their public accommodations?

    Edit: what I’m taking issue with is the notion that being on the free tier of service changes anything. Maybe Spotifiy has an obligation or maybe it doesn’t, but either way, it’s the same regardless of how much or little the customer pays. Being a second-class customer does not make you a second-class citizen who doesn’t get equal protection under the law!

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      ADA accessibility requirements for their public accommodations

      Source that providing lyrics to songs is a requirement?

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        I never said it was. I said that the requirement is the same whether it’s a free account or a paid one. It’s either always required or it’s never required, but it sure as Hell is not “their prerogative” based on how much they get paid.

        Think about it for a second: what the parent commenter is suggesting is that it’s somehow okay for a company to use compliance with legal requirements as an upselling opportunity! You do see the problem with that line of thinking, right?!

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          I never said it was. I said that the requirement is the same whether it’s a free account or a paid one.

          Which is completely irrelevant if its not actually a requirement. So I’m asking you to prove that it is.

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            What’s relevant is that the commenter I replied to suggested that it’s Spotify’s “prerogative” whether to comply with the law or not. It isn’t.

            This issue here is people spouting dangerous late-stage-capitalist nonsense, not the content of the ADA rule. Your demand is actually just a derailment tactic.

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              The person agreeing with you has literally said they can claim they don’t make enough and not need to comply with ADA laws…. Apparantly…. So yeah they can just choose to not comply. This is from someone working directly with them, so we have to accept this is true I guess.

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              What’s relevant is that the commenter I replied to suggested that it’s Spotify’s “prerogative” whether to comply with the law or not. It isn’t.

              No they did not. You brought up the law.

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        Providing a substantially inferior outcome to someone with an ADA need absolutely violates ADA rules.

        When stuff like this has gone to court it hasn’t been pretty for the offending organization.

        There’s a bigger question about how much of what Spotify currently provides falls under ADA. Web services used to get a free pass. They largely don’t anymore.

        Source: some of this stuff is my problem, professionally. And no, I’m not going to look up a primary source for anyone. That’s Spotify’s lawyers job.

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        The fact possibility that they’re unable to provide lyrics gives radio stations a free pass on this, under ADA (and most similar laws).

        Edit: Correction, per correction below - options for providing radio captions do exist.

        Edit 2: For anyone reading along to learn - a radio station without captioning technology is unlikely to be required to add captioning under any accessibility law I’m aware of. But a station that provides captioning is unlikely to be able to charge extra for that captioning under current accessibility laws.

        Businesses are typically accountable to provide equitable accommodations at no additional charge.

        A comparison that may help: a storefront with no dedicated parking whatsoever is typically not required to provide the usual required percentage of reserved accessible parking. Or rather, their zero reserved spaces meets the required percentage automatically, at it’s whatever percentage of zero total spaces.

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            You are technically correct - the best kind of correct! (Futurama quote, meaning I appreciate your correction.)

            It’s probably not an issue for a station that simply doesn’t have that level of captioning, yet.

            But I take your point - it would likely be a violation if they had that captioning and tried to monetize it. (In my far more informed opinion than that of a couple of asshats who were replying to me in this thread.)

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              So why does that apply to OTA, but not their website or other delivery methods…?

              Your “laws” seem to have lots of exceptions when you need them to. But also, not surprisingly, very easy to find the flaws since they don’t exist and you’re not smart enough to think of these yourself apparently….

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          They can provide lyrics, most have websites, they can print a pamphlet, that’s just excuses to justify crying out against one and not the other.

          What makes them unable to, but Spotify able to?

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            Once an organization can no longer claim an accessibility accomodation is an undue burden, then various laws kick in (can no longer be evaded during a court case or an audit) dictating how that accessibility accomodation must be managed.

            As was pointed out, many radio stations do provide captions, and in doing so, fall under (no longer receive any exemption under) the same laws about how they managed those captions.

            Spotify is also a big enough organization that any claim of “undo burden” would probably not hold up in court, anyway.

            While a small local radio station might well be protected, and is a good example of why such exceptions exist.

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              Once an organization can no longer claim an accessibility accomodation is an undue burden, then various laws kick in dictating how that accessibility accomodation must be managed.

              What…? The laws applies to everyone, you can’t just claim I can’t afford it. Got a source please?

              As was pointed out, many radio stations do provide captions, and in doing so, fall under the same laws about how they managed those captions.

              Where was this pointed out? Most don’t, and the few that do just link to other places, something Spotify could do to with what you’re claiming. Why do they need to provide the actual words when radios don’t? Another source on this would be great. You’re already saying the laws apply differently, but are the same? You’ve contradicted yourself multiple times already….

              Spotify is also a big enough organization that any claim of “undue burden” would probably not hold up in court, anyway.

              Source that’s a thing.

              While a small local radio station might well be protected, and is a good example of why such exceptions exist.

              So I can just claim I don’t make enough and not need to follow any ADA laws? That doesn’t sound right, even non-profits get riddled with ads claims, so again, source please!

              We all know you’re talking out of your ass, so yeah I don’t expect any actual response, so enjoy your weekend troll!

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                  I have, it doesn’t say what you’re claiming, so please, provide the links since I can’t find it. Or the more likely answer, it doesn’t exist and now you’re insulting me since I’ve called out your lack of actual education. You can’t just make a claim and not provide a source lmfao, that’s trolling.

                  It’s always funny when a phony tries to play big leagues when actual people with education are already available.

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                Got a source please?

                Of course they don’t.

                But they’re going to pretend that its on you to disprove the claim.

                Edit: Oh look, they did exactly what I said they would.

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        Some do. It’s pretty rare, but stations that are more talk-show or interview style shows might have transcripts on their site afterwards. (The Final Straw Radio, my beloved)

        Music stations? Probably not. At least I’m not aware of any that do. But I also don’t like hearing the disk jockey chat between music so I don’t listen to that type of radio ever.

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          Most just provide links to other places actually if they do, the point is, it’s nothing to do with ADA and if it was, radio would be required to too.