• NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    For like 80 years, the west prepared for war with Russia. Russia played the long, quiet game and just parasitized our politics, and our economies. They’re winning without ever firing a shot. It’s impressive, albeit infuriating.

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      6 months ago

      Russia hasn’t done nearly as much damage as the capitalist class in America has.

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              6 months ago

              My dude I’m far more worried about America’s actual Nazis. Russia is just a distraction.

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                6 months ago

                Russia has had dramatic political influence in this country for a very long time now. If you’re not worried about that as well, then you’re extremely naive, my guy.

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                  6 months ago

                  Yeah, they’ve been stirring up the local Fascists who are a much bigger problem.

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                  6 months ago

                  Russia has had dramatic political influence in this country for a very long time now

                  Sure, but NOWHERE near as much or as bad as under-regulated capitalism, which has taken over the entire government and caused the needless deaths of tens if not hundreds of millions in the US alone, billions worldwide.

                  And that’s not even counting the even greater numbers that it has left alive but perpetually struggling and suffering!

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                  6 months ago

                  Putinism vs bipartisan right debate on lemmy?

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      6 months ago

      You give Russia too much credit.

      Europe and USA put themselves on this situation all by their own stupidity.

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      6 months ago

      That’s right, there were no flaws in the political system invented 250 years ago and only outside actors in the last 20 years led to a conservative party vs a fascist party.

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        6 months ago

        At no point was I suggesting that we haven’t caused many of our own problems. I’m simply saying that Russia is exploiting those problems for their own benefit.

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          6 months ago

          That’s kind of my point. The US is the problem with our political system. Russia is a factor, but they exacerbated division that was already present. It’s actually ridiculous to try and frame it as a problem that wouldn’t have appeared if Russia stayed out of our business.

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      6 months ago

      Russia is neither winning nor is their disinformation campaigns that successful. This is because despite their best efforts, when they needed their propaganda to work the most, it backfired and the west is more united than ever. Not only that but the country is basically wrecked due to the invasion of Ukraine

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        6 months ago

        They put one of their assets in the White House, and you think they’re failing? They might do it a second time for fucks sake!

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            6 months ago

            France on the verge of an extreme right takeover

            Germanys AfD party making significant gains

            Substantial foreign influence in the legislative and executive branches of US Politics

            By all means, please continue to ignore the signs. “It can’t happen here”, right?

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              Those parties aren’t gaining ground because of Russia. Russia is definitely an influence, but they’re not the reason these parties are winning. They’re gaining ground because the establishment parties are failing people and these parties are the only alternative they have. We’ve seen such parties win in Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, etc but nothing really changed foreign policy wise.

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          6 months ago

          If he is Russian asset, can I sell his ass?

          He is corporate asset. A tool to strengthen neofeudalism.

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      6 months ago

      What? Modern Russia exists for 33 years. 80 years ago certain parlamentary union was so upset at nazis, that it destroyed them.

      Also 80 years ago for that parlamentary union the lefter politician was - the better. For Putin it’s opposite.

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      6 months ago

      The swing right is a rejection of globalism by the people more than Russia being some amazing propaganda source. Blaming Russia absolves the globalists from responsibility though.