Yall need to learn some history.
The liberal SDP split with the communists, supporting “centrist” Hindenburg in the name of unity.
The communists campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war”
Hindenburg won the election, getting more votes than either the communist or fascist candidates.
Hindenburg, the liberal candidate, then proceeded to make Hitler the chancellor and staff positions of power with nazis while purging the government of communists.
The nazis then barely had to do anything to assert complete control.
The nazis didn’t get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.
The Nazis didn’t get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.
Lets not bury the lede. You run weak Democrats, you comprise with fascists (or just do the policies yourself; Biden’s border bill, Congressional support for making criticism of Israel a hate crime) : this is the path you put us on.
It looks a lot like in a way History is repeating itself: the Democrat Establishment in the US (who are a hard neoliberals, not lefties) fielded directly and without a Primary a guy like Biden who is less than in his prime and even supports an ethno-Fascist regime commiting Genocide (and, more importantly, is unwilling to walk back on that support even to improve his odds of winning against Trump, which is what we are being told is the most important thing in the World) all of which is making it far more likely that the Fascists will get power.
There are vast contradictions between what we are being told is the danger of Trump getting elected and the DNC and Biden persistently making choices that increase the chances of Trump getting elected and not walking back on those.
Surelly if “Stop Trump” is the most important thing in the World for them, the Democrat Establishment too would be walking towards the wishes of the electorate not just trying to push the electorate to do all the walking towards the wishes of the Democrat Establishment.
Agreed.
We can’t say we must do everything to stop Trump and then shrug and say hold your nose and vote for the guy that’s polling poorly.
That’s not trying everything that’s people in power wanting one outcome that are willing to risk everything they say they don’t want because the scared masses should hopefully fall in line without even a backup plan for it not working.This isn’t trying and doing everything to stop a fascist dictator taking power this is capitalist conservatives trying to stretch out their win for a little bit longer using what they think is a sure win. This can only ever end poorly even if it’s just another 4 years later from now.
the democrat establishment is already getting what they want from voters and the system and they won’t get any of the blame should they lose; so they both have no reason to change nor do they have anything to risk by trying something new.
those contradictions you referenced are the centrists version of fox news stoking the culture war, but more vague because they’re trying to appeal both both centrists and leftist; that and project 2025 are the talking points that the moderates are parroting to justify against voting progressively, thus proving martin luther king’s opinion of the the american moderate is true.
and lets not forget what stopped hitler wasnt electoralism. it was the soviets, and they needed force at that point.
And the Ukrainians, and the Poles, and the French resistance, and the British, and the Americans, and the Canadians, and…
the soviets were the ones to bear the weight of all the casualties. while your heroes were sipping tea waiting for them to be destroyed by the nazis…
the british, really? americans? yall need to open a history book. ever heard of operation paperclip? or how anticommunist most of these were?
Exactly, the country that shared a massive land border with the NAZIs and was a direct target of their aggression suffered many more casualties than the ones what didn’t, who’da thunk it? Without the combined efforts of essentially the entire rest of the world, the USSR would have been toast.
yall need some history. the USSR and germany did not share borders until much later, the west was nowhere to be found by the time they reached berlin.
the us mostly really only helped by the end when victory over nazis was already on the horizon.
They didn’t share a border until the Soviets and NAZIs jointly invaded their neighbor Poland.
no such thing as “jointly invaded”
Nah they’re an .ml user… It’s all about soviets. USSR is literal utopia to them and didn’t do anything wrong.
Forget that the Nazi efforts were always more focused on the western fronts…
Wowsers, that’s horrible! I’ll make sure not to vote for Biden if he nominates Trump as his VP.
During Hitlers Ascent to Power, the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them. And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means “liberals”. They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.
Cool. In this comparison, none of that matters and the Tweet has a completely valid point.
Unless you suspect Biden will be appointing Trump in his cabinet if he wins?
We’ve been saying from day one, that if Biden doesn’t move to the left and use every tool at his disposal to improve people’s material conditions, Trump’s going to win in 2024.
Biden didn’t just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.
This is the closest thing he could have done to handing Trump the presidency, short of appointing him VP and stepping down.
Biden didn’t just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.
This is one of the worst examples of confirmation bias I have ever seen. The Biden Administration’s entire record is out there for you to peruse, and you pick 3 things out of hundreds, possibly thousands, that you think justify your comparison.
Outflanking the rights is a bad decision, because you put their extreme positions into mainstream.
he tried to outflank the republicans from the right
You really expect to be taken seriously saying some idiotic shit like this?
Your hyperbole is over the top. Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.
POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices, which is the part of the economy everyone is most concerned with. Last time an Executive Order was used to price fix the food industry, it blew up in Nixon’s face. Supply chain constraints were industry wide, and when the order expired, prices went up far past standard inflation. The other big concern is housing, which could be addressed with legislation if Democrats had congressional majority.
I completely agree about support of Israel. The only comparison is knowing Trump will be worse for Palestinians. It’s terrible to reconcile, but those are the options.
Abstaining isn’t voting for Trump, it’s refusing to stand in his way.
Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.
Biden waited 3.5 years to end title 42 and tried to close the border. He has deported more people than Trump.
POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices
He literally does though. But there’s a million other things he could have done when he had control. Instead we just get excuses about how powerless the party controlling both houses and the presidency was because of Manchin or the parliamentarian or the SCOTUS or some rules the dems set for themselves or norms or whatever.
There’s no point in quibbling about whether Biden was less bad than trump, these actions decrease how many people will vote for him. Implementing policy that makes you lose the election is refusing to stand in republican’s way.
Wrong.
Biden ended the Muslim Ban on Jan 21, 2021, the day after he was inaugurated.
He ended Title 42 on May 20, 2022, but the measure was stopped by federal judges. It took until May of 2023 to be completed.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/20/title-42-border-judge-ruling-migrants/
Nobody is talking about the Muslim ban, we’re talking about the more recent attempt to close the mexican border.
But it’s irrelevant, you’re still missing the point.
My point is that Biden’s unpopular actions decrease how many people will vote for him. This is how Biden ensures Trump will come to power.
Did you not read the second half of my comment? He ended Title 42 a year and a half after taking office. Federal judges stopped it for a year.
You wrote three and a half years.
You fabricate information in your comments often. I will always call out misinformation.
Cite your sources and stop with the lies.
Incidentally, you quoted my point about the Muslim ban in your previous comment. So yeah, we were certainly talking about it.
Biden has done plenty of good where Trump did nothing or actively worsened things for the working class, minorities, and the planet. You only select Biden’s worst policies to define his presidency.
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You shouldn’t engage with this guy. Its always a bait and switch/ false premise/ straw man with this guy.
You make a point about an actual bill (the mexican border bill), he makes it about trump and a muslim ban.
Its always in bad faith. Its a condition of blue MAGA.
Read the thread you’re so confident in condemning.
I cited my statements while your friend here repeatedly made false claims.
The Mexican Border bill you’re referring to is an Executive Order, not congressional legislation. Trump’s border Executive Order was the Muslim ban. Neither of which required congressional approval, and therefore are directly equatable.
Maybe you two should get a place together in misinformation land.
Just downvote and move along.
Blue fash is still fash. They aren’t an allie.
Supply chain constraints were industry wide, and when the order expired, prices went up far past standard inflation.
Just a reminder to folks emphasizing that retailers used that as cover for corporate greed, and a lot of it was lies. Various links:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/us/politics/grocery-prices-pandemic-ftc.html
Great quote from that Harvard one:
HBS research suggests firms have held off lowering them because it appears consumers got used to paying more
The FTC report that is the basis for the first three links above: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/03/ftc-releases-report-grocery-supply-chain-disruptions
And don’t get me started on shrinkflation.
That’s true of the post-pandemic food industry prices for sure. That description was regarding the failure of Nixon’s attempt to price fix with an Executive Order.
Oh sorry I was clearly not paying much attention to what I was reading. Thanks for the gentle correction.
No problem. Thank you for citing sources in your comment. I always appreciate substantiation in this world of misinformation.
If you look at many people’s material conditions during Trump and during Biden, they haven’t gotten better. You can say whatever you want about Biden’s policies, his cabinet appointments, and how much Democrats have done when they hold power, but at the end of the day it hasn’t changed most folks’ lives one bit. It might be good metric-wise, but until folks feel like they’re better off it doesn’t matter.
Also, it’s hilarious to me how much shit Republicans seem to get done even when they don’t hold the House, Senate, and White House together, but the minute Republicans get one of those, suddenly it’s “oh shit Democrats can’t do anything”. It’s like Republicans are playing with nukes and Democrats are showing up with rubber band guns.
And no, I won’t be voting for Biden, I’ll be voting third party. And I know, you think “a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump”, but I don’t give a shit. I’ve been seeing this same “at least I’m not…” shit for 25 years and watching our country be sold to the highest bidder under both parties. At this point, if we can’t figure out shit out, we deserve to be razed to the ground.
I think it’s more like Trump getting elected and he is appointing Putin as US president. Which isn’t that far off, is it?
Also, Hitler had to declare a state if emergency to gain the absolute power the Supreme Court has just handed to the US president.
Suffice it to say, something lile this is impossible now in Germany. The justices of our highest court, the Bindesverfassungsgericht, can only hold the job for 12 years and can be no older than 68. They are also always equally voted in by two different branches of the government and need a two thirds majority for any decision.
Our democracy isn’t without faults, but this is probably our strongest bulwark against another descent into facsism.
Let’s hope it holds up against the AFD
it looks like it isn’t holding up? How are they allowed to still campaign?
Because the Verfassungsschutz sucks, but that’s not the fault of the Bundesverfassungsgericht.
And they repeatedly declared laws of the government unconstitutional, not matter which parties were in the coalition at the moment.
They’re concealing their true nature, and get a bunch of naïve moderates to clean their image. Jobbik did it in Hungary first, it even lead to the radicals splitting out the party under Mi Hazánk Mozgalom (Our Homeland Movement - technically a satellite party and the “bad cops” of Fidesz), and the moderates rebranding as more boring conservatives. Fidesz learned this tactic, and used it to make Trianon Revisionism seem like a “common cause”. Gamergate also did it the first round, the second round was just a literal reaction against any kind of inclusivity. The republicans are also doing it of course: Their average voter isn’t as evil as it seems, they’re just the naïve loyal voters, who think even if things go bad, they can just be removed from legislation. Which is true, but it will be hard if democracy is dismantled like in Hungary, and even then you can’t unlegislate ruined lives, the dead from their graves, the lost years people had to endure because of bad laws and no worker’s protections.
I think Trump will declare a state of emergency as soon as people will riot against his unjust laws. Project 2025 has something about deploying the military against the population to force through deeply unpopular laws.
Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg. He wasn’t voted in by the people.
Even setting aside the bit of history where the SDP party rallied around Hindenburg because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again), there were three different elections from July of '32 to March of '33. The Nazis took 37% of the seats in July, dipped down to 32% in November, and then jumped to 43% the following March.
And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire, which was blamed on Tankie Antifa Far-Left Communists and used to justify a Nazi-lead state of martial law. Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.
This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.
This, in comparison to the Beer Hall Pustch four years later, in which Hitler’s band of low-ranking military officers were tossed in the drunk tank for nine months, before returning to politics and rapidly climbing the ranks on the basis that he’d been martyred by (((bad Germans))) who secretly controlled the government.
Gotta wonder how this compares to the 2014 BLM protests, the subsequent police crackdown, and then the string of BLM leadership “suicides” where members of the movement shot themselves in the head right before being incinerated in their cars. Or the widespread bipartisan/corporate efforts to suppress labor activism in the rail, shipping, and Amazon distribution centers, the automotive industry, and the Starbucks-centric food service sectors.
Or the feeble efforts by US government officials to arrest/convict J6ers, the hand-slap sentencing of Alex Jones and Steve Bannon, and the stubborn refusal to federally prosecute Donald Trump.
Oh well, anyways!
Yeah we have a lot more in common with pre third Reich Germany than people want to talk about and it’s not just a voting for a crazy shouting lunatic thats making the comparison so eerily similar.
The staunch refusal to try and go left and actually make things better and give people to rally behind is gonna do a lot of the heavy lifting of moving people to the right and it’s not appreciated or understood by the people who make the memes about voting for Biden regardless of anything.
That does depend on who is making those memes. The bad faith propaganda meant to further divide the population targets all sides of all issues and it’s another very divisive issue. Any time I see someone making what should be a good point but in a way that will instead increase resistance, I suspect that’s what’s going on. It’s not a certain way to determine if that’s happening; anyone who has read How to Win Friends and Influence People knows that our instincts about persuasion are bad even before any bad faith is involved.
There is a good reason why it starts with “first they came for the communists”
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Shit, the Freikorps immediately turned around after murdering the Spartacus League and overthrew the SPD government who sent them out. The Kapp Putsch. And the SPD compromised with them.
2014 BLM protests? You’re almost a decade early there
Are we going to ignore the Ferguson protests after the police slaying of Michael Brown?
because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again)
You missed the moment where NSDAP and German communists kinda had intersecting constituencies, as in “angry young people with nothing good to do”.
Many stormtroopers were members of both at different points of their, eh, path.
And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire,
Which was almost certainly a false flag operation by Nazis.
Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.
Such parallels always suck. They didn’t really have liberals in the Weimar republic. It was all conservatives, monarchists, nationalists, and some fishy social-democrats. And it was kinda authoritarian at every point.
This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.
Yep. You might consider that such a republic shouldn’t be so readily compared to the US.
I’m not saying future is cool.
We got monarchists. We got nationalists. We got conservatives. And most USians hate communism as an internalized educational message become reflex. We are not that far apart chronologically, either.
And not to mention the bunds and many American industrialists were very horny for Hitler not all that long ago. Those families didn’t go anywhere.
This may happen, but not the same way, all I can say.
Like losing the popular vote.
The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. — Plato
Just ask my slaves. Gods, I love slavery. - Plato
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Imagine having a political opponent you consider equal to Hitler and choosing Joe Biden as the candidate you run against him.
And after the debate you have to wonder who you’re really voting for. I don’t believe he’s really calling the shots. If it’s Obama or something okay, but let’s be honest.
Idiotic conspiracy theories like this is troll shit.
I don’t believe you are not an idiot. Let’s be honest.
You really think he’s in control? He looks like he can’t control his bowels.
The only one who can’t control their bowels is diaper don.
“Real men wear diapers” - seen at tRump rallies
We have actual multiple audio captures of Trump shitting his pants: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1dqvcag/to_what_extent_did_trump_literally_crap_his_pants/
That’s just one of many!
I’m not a fan of Trump, and many very mentally sharp people have issues with bodily functions - that’s often part of life and I apologize for using it as a slur.
I still think Biden is looking unfit to be one of the top world leaders for the next 4 1/2 years.
And after the debate you have to wonder who you’re really voting for.
The one who doesn’t pledge to be a dictator.
Next you’ll be telling us about “big Mike”, right, Chuddy?
Since this is posted on a shitpost community, I’ll just assume it’s not supposed to be taken seriously.
“dOnT cArE, nOt VoTiNg”
-hexbear
It didn’t just take “Hitler’s death” for Germans to be able to vote again. It wasn’t a case of “oh look, he’s dead, now we can go back to democracy”. It took over a decade of political terror and violence, a devastating world war, and one of the most organised campaigns of mass murder and genocide in history.
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So weird to think that that all went down in 14 years. 2010 doesn’t seem that long ago.
If they survived that is.
Yeah, and he went away not because they voted him out but thanks to Soviet weapons.
Who allied up with the Nazis to invade Poland?
IBM and Standard Oil
Soviets were the only ones who truly supported the Spanish democracy against the fascist. Every other country, including Poland, turned their back to us while the Luffwaffle was bombing our citizens.
Soviets were the only ones who truly supported the Spanish democracy against the fascist.
Curious that their backstabbing the Spanish republicans was instrumental in losing the Spanish Civil War for the republican side. Strange kind of support.
What kind of propaganda are you reading in which sending weapons, planes and officers (while all the other countries did NOTHING) is backstabbing.
Spain democracy lost because the allied powers did not care about us the same way the cared about Poland.
You’re on Divide By Zero, you should be fucking familiar with how they fucked the anarchists and the Trots, and that most of their ‘aid’ was purchased, not given.
I’m friends with everyone leftist, even if they hate each other. I can feel comfortable among anarchist, tankies, socdems, new age leftists, reformist, etc. Because I know what our common objective is and I just can’t care about the subtle differences. So I know the anarchist side of the story as well as I know the tankie side.
Being myself an active member of the social movement in my country and actually having watched modern day anarchist working with modern day communists I can say without any doubts that no version is true. Probably both starting arguing about stupid shit, and actual personal problems disguised as political problems, when they should had focused on the real enemy. But anyway I’m thankful for ALL who fought against fascism in Spain, anarchist, communist, republicans… I thank the international brigades, I thank orwell and I thank the soviets and stalinist. They all put their lives on line to stop fascism.
I just despise such an unproductive and harmful division of the left for shit that just does not matter when the true enemy is so big. And sometimes I just see a lust for internal division and eternal losing in such behavior. I don’t know how some leftists have energy left to hate each other after they should had used that energy to fight the true enemy, capitalism and fascism. And I say this for any anarchist who hates tankies and any tankie who hates anarchists. You are not enemies, the enemy is in other direction.
Because I know what our common objective is and I just can’t care about the subtle differences.
Even when those ‘subtle differences’ result in being backstabbed and sold out and the entire cause being lost against a fascist enemy, great. Subtle little differences, like “We need to purge the anarchists and Trots” should be met with “We need complete and total cooperation with the people who want to purge us 😊”
The true meaning of a united front, huh?
For Whom The Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemmingway is set during this period. Just a side note.
Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell would also be a good read for someone looking favorably on the Soviets during the Spanish Civil War.
Wasn’t Orwell a British spy under Churchill and a professional anti-communist agitator?
He was radicalized against the Soviets because they did not support the socialist revolution led by anarchosyndicalists. Instead Stalin supported the liberals because he said it wasn’t time for revolution yet which is BS since Barcelona and big parts of Catalonia did well under anarchists. An anarchist revolution would undermine the “ends justify the means” and “there is no other way to socialism than ours” rhetoric of the bolsheviks.
TLDR He was an anti-Soviet agitator but from the left
He was radicalized against the Soviets because they did not support the socialist revolution
Was this before or after he served as a British intelligence officer in colonial-era Burma?
And American weapons. Let’s not pretend that the USSR fought alone.
And Brittish weapons
and my axe!
And Fremch razor
Land Lease is just a western conspiracy!
It’s Lend-Lease…
Probably more accurate to say American trucks and raw materials, but yes.
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They did 80% of the dying, the current Ukraine war should be evidence that Russia’s force multiplier is fractional
They did some rapes too !
And only stole most of east Germany’s infrastructure.
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Source?
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Imagine thinking the Russian cowards were the main factor in Hitler’s loss 😂😂😂
This is not a shitpost.
The first NSDAP government came into being in 1930, in Thuringia. It toppled a left-wing government with a broad alliance of liberals, conservatives and right-wing extremists. Today, a center-left government is still in power in Thuringia, but in a tolerated minority government that is dependent on the votes of the other parties. In a few months, it will most likely be voted out by another one. The liberal, conservative and far-right parties are already using their majority to jointly push through laws against the government. An extreme right-wing party will probably become the strongest force and as such will be able to do a lot of damage, even without government participation.
There are already areas where only right-wing candidates are running and right-wing conservatives are the most left-wing option.
Perhaps history will repeat itself this year.
If they’re trying to convince Republicans to vote against Trump then they’ve chosen the wrong argument.
They probably want non voters to vote.
That’s just a bit over 3 legislative periods. Hardly enough for anything significant to happen.
Edit: Just two hours passed and Poe’s Law struck again.
How long until Coles Law?
(I am very hungry)
Accompanied by J Law*?
*Either him or her, I don’t mind both.
