• Kelly Aster 🏳️‍⚧️@lemmy.world
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    Check out how news orgs are covering this story.

    Associated Press: “Milwaukee hotel employees fired after death of Black man who was pinned to the ground”

    NBC: “Video shows Black man being pinned down by Milwaukee hotel security shortly before death”

    CBS: “Milwaukee hotel workers fired after death of Black man pinned down outside”

    ABC: “Al Sharpton to deliver eulogy for Black man who died after being held down by Milwaukee hotel guards”

    CNN: “A Black man died after he was pinned to the ground by security guards at a Milwaukee hotel. Now his family wants answers”

    Fox 6 Milwaukee: “Hyatt Regency Milwaukee death; man’s family gathers outside hotel”

    Fox News: “”

    These are the earliest stories posted by each outlet that I could find. The headlines speak volumes. The local Fox affiliate omits the fact that the man was black in the headline, and Fox News has yet to acknowledge it even happened, which was 12 days ago (June 30). I’m sure they’ll get around to it, though.

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      Fox news is probably hard at work trying to find pictures of him on social media with a gun, or drugs, or anything that gives them the “he was no angel” narrative

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        Literally. This isn’t even a joke, I guarantee there are people doing this as we speak.

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          Yep, because it is extremely effective on their base. Any reason they can discount a person as a bad one, or as a “criminal,” makes them a sub-human animal whose rights and worth can be completely disregarded.

          I can hear some of my conservative family now. “Oh he got killed? WELL I GUESS HE SHOULDN’T HAVE CHOSEN TO STEAL/TAKE DRUGS/BE BLACK/BE A CRIMINAL HUH?!?”

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          yeah i wasn’t making a joke either, they do this every time, the fact that they haven’t reported on this just indicates to me they haven’t found anything yet

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      All of them seem to be using the passive voice to. They should say something akin to “Video shows security guard pinning and killing black man.”

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        That’s standard practice as you can’t say that the guard killed him until he’s actually been convicted.

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          Using an active voice is perfectly fine. The standard practice is to use the term alleged if there is a possible crime. Saying “Security guard pins black man and man dies” is absolutely fine.

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          Hence why it was so incredibly satisfying to get the ruling on George Floyd, and henceforth officially refer to it as “the police murder of George Floyd” - a lot of people will even forcefully correct anyone that tries to refer to it as ‘tragic death’ or ‘accidental death’.

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          Killing isn’t a legal designation. You can factually say that someone killed a another person without calling what they did murder or manslaughter.

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            I was thinking along the same lines… but I don’t think I’d want anyone to be able to publicly label me a killer if it hasn’t been proven yet that I actually killed a person. Maybe there was a second person who actually did it and bailed before the cops showed up and this person was wrong place, wrong time. Not even saying that’s the case in this example (probably isn’t), but we still need to treat it the same as any other.

            Manslaughter hasn’t been proven yet either; until they’re convicted, it’s all “alleged.”

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      Have you heard about the guy who police poked gently several times in the head with copper clad lead rods? He actually fell tragically to his death.

      Then there was another instance where a guy fell asleep forever right after cops made big noises coming from their hands.

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      Why does it matter that the guy was black?

      How about something like:

      Hotel guards kill father of two, holding him down while he cries for help.

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          I’m not trolling, I read the article and a few things stood out.

          This guy has two kids, I have 3 at similar ages, he has a family that loved him. The article states he had some mental health issues, but doesn’t go into how severe (I assume low level, otherwise it would have stated it). It says that he was unarmed, you know what American gun culture fucks up to many things for you, this shouldn’t even be a point of note.

          The least interesting thing about a murder victim should be their race. Would it make any difference if he was Chinese, Indian or Samoan? A man was killed, his kids will miss him, is family will morn him.

          As for

          You know exactly why it matters.

          I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

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            I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

            There’s a pattern of disproportionate use of force against black folks by police in the US. I’m not going to argue with you about that fact. You either know it’s true, or will not be swayed by any evidence I present anyhow. And when police kill someone who may be yet another example of this, it matters and is worth including.

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              I know I shouldn’t engage.

              But how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred. I don’t find murder a political issue.

              Why do you think murder is political?

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                You’re so bad at this. Just say it with your full chest, my dude. We all know it already, and I’m sure the people in your real life know it.

                Racists are always the biggest fucking pussies about honestly expressing their own world view and ideology.

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                how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred.

                Is that actually what you think the disagreement is about? Be honest now, is this really what you think you’re being criticized for? Being concerned about murder?

                You dismissed the relevance that a white security guard killed an unarmed black suspect, in an era where armed white men regularly killed unarmed black men with impunity.

                I don’t find murder a political issue. Why do you think murder is political?

                This is a weird response. I never said anything was “political”, I said that your rigid insistence on colorblindness in the case of a white armed security guard restraining and killing an unarmed black man is inherently racist because you seek to invalidate any claim of racial bias despite plenty of evidence that these situations are heavily influenced by racial bias.

                You’re asking people to look the other way at an event that is being compared to the murder of George Floyd.

                If anything, you seem conspicuously unconcerned about the nature of this murder.

                If you think that Black lives are inherently “political”, I am happy to reiterate my assessment that you are a racist person.

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                Why do you think murder is political?

                Why do you think racial injustice is about politics not basic human rights and decency?

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            If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

            Oh so you think that racism should be an aggravating factor in sentencing? That sounds like it would be inconsistent with your other statements here. I would expect something like “why is there a lesser punishment for killing a white person you hate than killing a black person you hate?”

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        “White folks don’t get in disturbances in Milwaukee?” Sharpton said during the funeral. “Do y’all throw white folks to the ground and put your knee on their neck? The sentence for disturbance is death?”

        This is the reason.

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        Probably because it might have been a hate crime and might have done it for hate reasons, and maybe they will do it again unless they are held accountable. That would be my guess.

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          Shouldn’t they be held accountable for killing a human?

          I thought murder was bad, as a general rule.

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            Murder once is bad, yeah, of course. You know what’s worse than one murder? Multiple murders, because the person wasn’t stopped.

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              Agreed.

              Have the two men in this instance killed before? I didn’t get that from the article.

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                Cops keep murdering people, the same people too, the same evil fucks killing under the same pretenses. There’s a fucking tendency to kill certain people, wake up

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                let’s pretend statistics don’t exist because the reality of their implications makes me uncomfortable.

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        Because police encounters with black people has been an ongoing issue since they were brought over on boats to the united states.

        Many studies have highlighted disparities in how black people are treated.

        For instance: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/

        Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.

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        So humans often study patterns in human behavior in order to gain insight into things like group dynamics, sometimes even as a profession. Crazy right?

        And others try to use that data to try and correct historical injustices and atrocities we’ve made against marginalized people. That, I know for sure, is crazy to you.

        I’m sure you think this is all just “virtue signalling,” which says a lot about you.