• manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml
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    imperialism is the subjugation of one country for the benefit of the first. DPRK is not imperialist (how could it be under UN sanctions), PRC is not imperialist, USSR was not imperialist.

    Communists critically support the DPRK, the USSR, and the PCR, progressive liberals uncritically support Obama, Biden, conservative liberals uncritically support Trump, Bush, etc

    read lenin.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

    Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?

    It won’t do!

    It won’t do!

    You must investigate!

    You must not talk nonsense!

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-6/mswv6_11.htm

    The instance you use is named after an Ikea plush. I will not debate you.

    • TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Look dude I’ve worked with many MLs and MLMs. I’ve read some of both Lenin and Mao’s works. I think the recent rhetoric of calling communists fascist is wholely harmful to the left and I don’t participate in it. I never called the DPRK imperialist for obvious reasons. I didn’t even call the PRC imperialist because I do recognize that western media is not a reliable source on the matter. I recognize my own ignorance in these matters and don’t take part in uncritically decrying post-revolution communist states.

      We disagree on the way a just society should be structured, or the methods of achieving that end. I consider authoritarianism and unjust hierarchies as a problem of both capitalism and state communism, but as long as my viewpoints can be heard and addressed, I personally don’t have issue with MLs and MLMs. The atrocities of capitalism far outweigh the failures of established communist states.

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        4 months ago

        Communism is neither left nor right. It is just a construct of governance. While it was originally promoted by leftists, it can be either left or right. Some communists are conservative and/or fascist (ex. China).

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          Communism is neither left nor right.

          The Left/Right divide is about property. Should it be collectivized, or individually owned and traded, ie Socialism vs Capitalism. Communism, therefore, must be left-wing.

          It is just a construct of governance.

          Yes and no. Communism is also economic in nature.

          While it was originally promoted by leftists, it can be either left or right.

          You cannot have Right-Wing Communists.

          Some communists are conservative and/or fascist (ex. China).

          The PRC is socially conservative, yes. Economically, it is Socialist, though certainly not yet Lower-Stage Communist. This does not make China “fascist” or right-wing. It is a socially reactionary, economicaly progressive state.

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      ‘The instance you use is named after an Ikea plush. I will not debate you.’

      This JK Rowling?