• Belgdore@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Well damn, I guess Birth of a Nation gets a pass on it’s racism because it was made in 1915.

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      5 months ago

      It’s absolutely racist, and it was at the time. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth watching, it’s fantastic as a window into the culture of the time. It was super popular (among white people), and it helps to understand segregation and racial conflict. It’s one of the most important films of all time. What it portrays is absolutely disgusting, but that doesn’t change the importance of the film.

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        5 months ago

        That doesn’t mean I can’t criticize it, or other movies that don’t match the modern standards.

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          5 months ago

          Sure, but the criticism will be unfair unless you take into account the culture of the time.

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            5 months ago

            I don’t give a Fuck if I’m not fair to a movie. It’s a movie. It exists to entertain. I can’t be entertained if I’m distracted by obvious flaws.

            I understand critical theory, and there are lessons to be learned from any piece of media. But real life isn’t film school. Racism sucks, sexism sucks, it is valid to say that movies that contain these also suck.

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      5 months ago

      Like criticizing cavemen for not properly washing their hands. Our ancestors were fucking stupid and what’s obvious to us now was not obvious to them then. That’s why it’s a product of it’s time, a window to a past society, and a reminder of how far we’ve come. I’m not seeing anybody here celebrating racism or sexism and ignoring that it existed at all is a braindead thought-pattern. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing and it’s entirely unnecessary.

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        5 months ago

        Everyone who argues online does it for its own sake.

        If you don’t hold the position that Porco Ross is a good movie in spite of its sexism because of the era it was made, then you should not have responded as you did.

        In 2024 the movie is not good and I don’t care about how good it was in the year it came out.