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We cannot deny for one moment that animals think, understand, plan, and navigate the world just as humans do.
They just can’t use language as much as we can*, & mostly aren’t as big as us. But they’re way smarter than we’ve been taught , as every farmer in history would tell you.
And a lot of modern scientists. One cognitive science PhD met once said: the closer we look, the more we see non-human animals doing things we used to think only humans did. Tiny animals, she meant. Snails. Mites. Bacteria.
*can’t use language as much as we can: AS FAR AS WE CAN CURRENTLY TELL. Which isn’t all that much tbh
Me, I think birds are already there, full nouns & verbs. And I highly suspect insects have language systems too. I don’t mean some loose definition like like ants and chemical markers, or emotional expressions.
I mean what linguists mean: units of expression- sound (hand shapes, in signed langs) which recombine to signify different things, in a productive way, allowing for level upon level of transmission of thoughts. It’s a high bar to qualify as human language. And I think probably some nonhuman animals have it, and we’re just not listening closely enough.
But the closer we look.
(And yes there’s a Ted Chiang story about this)
Large parrots are in fact as smart as a toddler. African Greys, apparently, can memorize human language words (just the sound, no grammar or anything complex like that) and apply them to identify objects, colors and materials - even to objects they see for the first time!
And even smaller birds like budgies usually know the sound of their own name and can even assign “names” in form of sound sequences to other birds and humans they live with. You wouldn’t think they have enough brain size for that, but somehow they do
My cat 100% has a name for every human he meets, and he can even say those names in higher or lower registers (and volumes) depending on how he’s addressing that person.
I tell people this, and they think I’m insane. I even point out the sound that means that specific person’s name, and they don’t bother to learn it!
Temba, his arms wide.
DNA is language, my dude. it’s like programming code.
interesting thought …I’m curious - who would be talking to who, in this framing of the idea ?
well it’s more like a script, a book or library basically. It’s not so much the transport of information, but the storage of information.
Ah, ok. Yeah I think that’s different. Like the periodic table would also be that structure, but not in the concept of language
I am interested in taking ideas from historical costuming and applying them to modern garments (“history bounding”) and something that keeps jumping out at me is how smart people in the past were, especially regular, working people. In modern times, people tend to act like people were stupid just because modern medicine and science didn’t exist, but if you study enough to understand some of the reality of historical people’s lives, there are some really nifty solutions. It makes me think a lot about “intelligence”, and how limited our understanding of it is if we are so unable to think of pre-modern people as intelligent.
That’s a big tangent to your comment, but it’s ultimately heading in the same direction. I’m also jazzed to see cognitive science continue to increase its understanding of non-human intelligence; it’s really cool to see what we can discover when we stop projecting ourselves so hard onto other creatures.
Slightly off topic question. Science memes is a popular community and I enjoy seeing it in my feed. However I always find the images to load really slowly, and half the time the thumbnails are missing. Is mander.xyz under heavy load or being ddos’d?
The packets wait for peer review before going to your feed
Haha meta :)
Well at least we figured out who Reviewer 2 is.
It’s the hosting, it’s getting looked at. :)
Thanks for the reply :) good to know
I’ve noticed this too.
Same. N=3 at this point.
I guess I’ll say “same” too. Not the only feed, but it’s a noticeable one.
Read this comment because the image didn’t load and wanted to know what the image was about
I have not noticed this and I’m on a different instance. Figured some data to the contrary would be helpful as well.
Instance name checks out.
Just want to report that I don’t have this problem with my lemdro.id account using Voyager app. Not sure why.
Iirc someone said it’s because of the different version?
I had 2 pet female rats a few years ago and for two years, a wild male rat lived in and around my (old) house for almost two years. I could not catch this ballsy rat with any attempt or trap known to man. One time the rat squared up with me on the stairs and I swear to god I ran away first. anyways I named him Ratboi and put up warning signs about him at rat eye level but he WANTED my girls. All of their rags and bedding would be pulled through the bars of the cage and chewed on and stuff. It was wild. Anyways.
rats are simply too smart man, I recently became an owner of two rat boys and in two months they learnt to open their cage (first two weeks actually), foiled my ratproofing 5 separate times, learnt they get farther into the forbidden zone (the bin) if i’m not looking and redecorated their cage too many times to count. All those smarts and they’re using so much of it for crimes
Time to get a third rat and pay it to become an opressive police force and isntitute a rat police state.
You cannot contend with the power of love
Nono keep going.
“like a four legged yodeling pied piper” More like five legged amirite?
on my old drive to work there used to be a horse that belonged to the Traveller community (rural england) with a fucking massive dong it used to wave at all the traffic 🥲
“and try to they were looking for a mate”
aww
also, lol
Yo… You can’t use commas like that.
Watch us,
Using “,” as ellipses here is a pretty interesting tone indication feature!
On Tumblr, “…” ended up having connotations of judgement or anger, so to avoid that, people evolved to use “,” as a softer version (often implying a more silly/amused tone) instead !
Hell yeah free your comrades!!
