Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; 'The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,' says army spokesperson Hagari

Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    41·
    4 months ago

    How would you propose safely paroling them? There’s already examples of released hostages then being killed by the IDF.

    • mkwt@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      4 months ago

      Any type of parole has to be at least marginally less dangerous for the hostage than execution.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        12·
        4 months ago

        If they die either way, no it isn’t.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alon_Shamriz,_Yotam_Haim,_and_Samer_Talalka

        On 15 December 2023, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers operating in Shuja’iyya, Gaza as part of the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip killed three Israeli hostages taken during the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. The hostages, who were trying to be rescued, were visibly unarmed and shirtless and waving a makeshift white flag when they were killed.

        Sounds equally dangerous to me.

        • BronzieEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          Execution has a kill rate of 100%.

          Even if paroling is stupidly risky, the ods of death are still <100%.

          It would also be seen positively by everyone and one propaganda piece less for Israel to use.

          Let’s argue with reason and not pretend that because it has happened before it will happen every single time. Cock-ups happen everywhere.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            1·
            4 months ago

            They did what you suggested with those specific hostages. It was not seen positively by everyone.

            They also did it with other hostages that the IDF didn’t kill. It was not seen positively by everyone.

            So you’re right, let’s argue with reason. We can reason that what you’re suggesting doesn’t work based on what they’ve already done.

            • BronzieEnglish
              1·
              4 months ago

              My friend, you are literally arguing that executing hostages is the same as attempting to release them under extremely risky conditions because it has failed in the past.

              If that is truly your opinion, then I honestly have no more to say. I can’t reasonably argue with that type of opinion.

              I still wish you a great day though and hope the fighting ends soon.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                11·
                4 months ago

                No, I am literally arguing that this claim of yours has already been tried and failed:

                It would also be seen positively by everyone and one propaganda piece less for Israel to use.

                And the reason I am arguing it is that it has already been tried and failed.

                • BronzieEnglish
                  1·
                  4 months ago

                  Yeah no mate, you don’t get to hide behind the argument that because it doesn’t have a 100% success rate, we might as well execute them. Murder is always unnacceptable

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                    11·
                    4 months ago

                    No, I am literally arguing that this claim of yours has already been tried and failed:

                    It would also be seen positively by everyone and one propaganda piece less for Israel to use.

                    And the reason I am arguing it is that it has already been tried and failed.

    • mwguy@infosec.pubEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      Historically you’ve shipped them to a neutral nation (like Switzerland) who negotiated their return to their home country on the condition that they not be allowed to rejoin the war effort either for the duration of the war or for a specific time.

      None of these things are solutions that haven’t been seen before.