Israel was going to commit genocide either way, quietly or loudly. Now they are forced to be loud about it the whole world can see what’s really happening.
What israel has done to Palestinians is far worse than what happened on a single day in October.
You still haven’t said what they should have done, unless thats what you meant by vaguely saying to avoid citizens? If Hamas attacked and killed 1300 Israeli soldiers at a base or something, I don’t think people would be nearly as critical of Israel as they are now.
Hamas exposes how Israel treats its own citizens, by refusing to make any deal for their freedom, and initiating the Hannibal directive on the day of the attack. When Israel says their citizens are better off dead than hostages, you have to wonder what the goal there is.
Israel was going to commit genocide either way, quietly or loudly. Now they are forced to be loud about it the whole world can see what’s really happening.
I’m sure that’s great comfort to the two million people in Gaza right now, that Israel has managed to herd them into concentrated areas and is ruthlessly bombing the entire strip, that they can take solace in that the 40,000+ Gazans killed have been killed ‘loudly’.
What israel has done to Palestinians is far worse than what happened on a single day in October.
… okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? This is just more whataboutism.
If Hamas attacked and killed 1300 Israeli soldiers at a base or something, I don’t think people would be nearly as critical of Israel as they are now.
What.
You don’t think that if Israel was committing genocide after Hamas performed an attack in which no significant amount of civilians were killed, the world would be more critical?
Like, “Hamas are shitheads who target civilians” is one of Israel’s best propaganda lines, in part because the best propaganda includes some truth. Holy fucking shit, the idea that killing civilians is the way to get the world on your side is fucking deluded.
I’m sorry that you think that murdering civilians is a legitimate tactic. I hope you get help.
It would be far easier for Israel and the US to frame it as an actual war with the government of gaza. Theres a good chance it would fall just as flat as now, but people I think would be less inclined to ask why Hamas did what they did in that case, or ask what’s going on over there in general.
You are acting like there was a better option and all its showing is how simple you think this all is, like its some TV show.
Like I said ive never been in a position where I would consider hurting someone but I’m going to sit here and act like I know better than the actual people involved in the conflict. Its bullshit virtue signaling, and you have no idea what you would do if you were in their shoes.
Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.
“Oh I understand sweet child, I just would never stoop so low.”
Is that the gist of your position? Still havent explained your novel solution that has yet to be tried numerous times. Why don’t you bring up all the times Palestinians rejected one sided deals from Israel for “peace” while you are at it.
Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.
lmao
You said that without the least bit of irony, didn’t you?
Victim blaming bullshit.
“Victim blaming bullshit”, says the one advocating for the murder of civilians. If people like you had the power, you’d be rounding up Israelis in concentration camps just like the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians now, under the guise of “It’s the only way!”
And you seem to like to entirely misconstrue my position. If the only way you can deal with this conversation is to attack a strawman then thats your problem.
If you think that not choosing violence when someone cuts you off in traffic is exactly the same as not choosing violence when your culture is being invaded by a group of people that steals your land and rapes, imprisons, and kills your family members I don’t know what to tell you.
My position is that you have no idea what you would do under the same circumstances. Hopefully there would be a nonviolent solution to all problems but sometimes there just isnt one.
Sort of like how Israel couldn’t find a nonviolent solution to taking over the west bank and gaza and pushing out Palestinians. Why aren’t you critical of all the violence Israel commits on Palestinians?
A child per week was murdered by the IDF the whole year leading up to October 7th, but you want to say it was Hamas or Palestine that brought the violence to Israel?
Israel was going to commit genocide either way, quietly or loudly. Now they are forced to be loud about it the whole world can see what’s really happening.
What israel has done to Palestinians is far worse than what happened on a single day in October.
You still haven’t said what they should have done, unless thats what you meant by vaguely saying to avoid citizens? If Hamas attacked and killed 1300 Israeli soldiers at a base or something, I don’t think people would be nearly as critical of Israel as they are now.
Hamas exposes how Israel treats its own citizens, by refusing to make any deal for their freedom, and initiating the Hannibal directive on the day of the attack. When Israel says their citizens are better off dead than hostages, you have to wonder what the goal there is.
I’m sure that’s great comfort to the two million people in Gaza right now, that Israel has managed to herd them into concentrated areas and is ruthlessly bombing the entire strip, that they can take solace in that the 40,000+ Gazans killed have been killed ‘loudly’.
… okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? This is just more whataboutism.
What.
You don’t think that if Israel was committing genocide after Hamas performed an attack in which no significant amount of civilians were killed, the world would be more critical?
Like, “Hamas are shitheads who target civilians” is one of Israel’s best propaganda lines, in part because the best propaganda includes some truth. Holy fucking shit, the idea that killing civilians is the way to get the world on your side is fucking deluded.
I’m sorry that you think that murdering civilians is a legitimate tactic. I hope you get help.
It would be far easier for Israel and the US to frame it as an actual war with the government of gaza. Theres a good chance it would fall just as flat as now, but people I think would be less inclined to ask why Hamas did what they did in that case, or ask what’s going on over there in general.
You are acting like there was a better option and all its showing is how simple you think this all is, like its some TV show.
Like I said ive never been in a position where I would consider hurting someone but I’m going to sit here and act like I know better than the actual people involved in the conflict. Its bullshit virtue signaling, and you have no idea what you would do if you were in their shoes.
“You don’t understand, we HAD to target civilians for this to work!”
Hamas simp, or Zionist simp? The only difference is what flag they wave.
Better than a virtue signaling american that uses the world problems to put themselves on a pedestal.
“Oh I understand sweet child, I just would never stoop so low.”
Is that the gist of your position? Still havent explained your novel solution that has yet to be tried numerous times. Why don’t you bring up all the times Palestinians rejected one sided deals from Israel for “peace” while you are at it.
Victim blaming bullshit.
lmao
You said that without the least bit of irony, didn’t you?
“Victim blaming bullshit”, says the one advocating for the murder of civilians. If people like you had the power, you’d be rounding up Israelis in concentration camps just like the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians now, under the guise of “It’s the only way!”
Fascists like you are all the same.
I’m advocating for not putting yourself above a whole group of people for internet points you dumb fuck.
A whole group of people like, say, Israeli civilians being intentionally targeted by Hamas?
For all your moralizing and tut-tutting, you’re awfully keen to justify murdering civilians.
And you seem to like to entirely misconstrue my position. If the only way you can deal with this conversation is to attack a strawman then thats your problem.
If you think that not choosing violence when someone cuts you off in traffic is exactly the same as not choosing violence when your culture is being invaded by a group of people that steals your land and rapes, imprisons, and kills your family members I don’t know what to tell you.
My position is that you have no idea what you would do under the same circumstances. Hopefully there would be a nonviolent solution to all problems but sometimes there just isnt one.
Sort of like how Israel couldn’t find a nonviolent solution to taking over the west bank and gaza and pushing out Palestinians. Why aren’t you critical of all the violence Israel commits on Palestinians?
A child per week was murdered by the IDF the whole year leading up to October 7th, but you want to say it was Hamas or Palestine that brought the violence to Israel?