The problem is many Republicans believe the exact opposite. The moment you bring up any form of socialized healthcare they will start rattling off stories of people in Europe having to go to a different country to get treatment. Many citizens of the USA have been conditioned to believe that paying for health insurance gives them priority care compared to an uninsured person and if everyone was the same then they’d lose that priority status. They think that if everyone can get healthcare then they’ll die in a waiting room, and there is no evidence to support that our hospitals will not be able to keep up.
Also, countries with socialized healthcare usually also have private health care. But since they have to compete with the public option their prizes are fairly reasonable.
Because there’s a private option, some procedures are either not available or drastically down-prioritized in a public-private system. Shoulders, knees, foot ops to promote proper mobility get a “well let’s wait a bit … or you can go private?”. And the best docs go private to maximize the filthy lucre, so sometimes I worry it’s gonna be Dr Nick I get. it never happens, but it only has to happen once for the GoP to be right.
Because there’s a private option, the number of docs in the public system go down. And wait-lists go up. I know we’re doing … okay … but I imagine how much better it could be if doctors were all in the same pool to burn down the queue.
There’s public health, and then there’s the cancerous taint of mercenary fucking doctors and their macabre lobbyists. It just matters how fucking corrupted a given system is on a scale from Antarctica to America.
They think that if everyone can get healthcare then they’ll die in a waiting room, and there is no evidence to support that our hospitals will not be able to keep up.
All of the evidence points to the opposite!
The examples they love to give are lies or systems after being defunded by conservatives.
Oh, trust me, everyone that support universal healthcare is very much aware that the US ranks quite poorly when it comes to preventable mortality rates in hospitals. The insurance and medical lobbies have used the bullshit wait times disinformation/propaganda for decades and those against universal healthcare love to bring that up as some sort of reliable defense.
The other thing they consistently use to defend the current system is it would raise taxes to overwhelmingly burdensome rates. They of course ignore the insane monthly premiums that families have to pay already, not to mention the amount of taxes we already pay for Medicaid/Medicare. We get to pay twice! What a benefit.
Currently Canada pays no premium and no user-fees for stuff that’s covered. Like, my auntie is in for a drastic illness and a series of procedures and she worries only about paid parking. I walked in for a series of tests a few months ago and brought only my ID.
Our system is eroding fast (thanks, Danielle!) but it’s still amazing for its services and cost.
Like in France, where Macron spent millions to fucking McKinsey for their asshole consultants to “optimize” our healthcare system. Said assholes did what they do best: cut costs and staff.
Now our hospitals are in shambles, workers are at the rope’s end and they keep on cutting their budget year after year. But it’s all good, we voted for the left so that they turn things around! Oh wait…
In reality: We pay extra for ourselves and our doctors to wade through a parade of forms that insurance companies will use to deny care for mostly technical reasons.
They think that if everyone can get healthcare then they’ll die in a waiting room, and there is no evidence to support that our hospitals will not be able to keep up.
The only time our hospitals weren’t able to keep up is when conservatives refused to wear a mask during a global pandemic.
Idk why the hell late night ER visits (11pm) take fucking HOURS to get seen if you don’t have a life threatening emergency. You could still be in serious pain for hours.
I’m next to the main entrance. No ambulance has dropped off someone for you to drop everything to treat.
The purpose of the ED is to make sure you’re not actively dying and then refer you to a specialist who books three months out.
There is a huge gap in American medicine between the ED and the doctor’s office. You might spend weeks or months in severe pain or discomfort waiting to be seen by someone who can treat you. The ED docs are just there to stabilize you and send you on your way.
I agree. But hours wait time to take vitals and then give fluids/meds to provide relief?
I don’t recall the specifics but it’s usually “severe” chest or stomach pain. I’m the default in my family to grab someone at any hour to run them to the ER.
Edit: I’m talking 5~7 hours usually for late night ER visits in a major US city.
The problem is many Republicans believe the exact opposite. The moment you bring up any form of socialized healthcare they will start rattling off stories of people in Europe having to go to a different country to get treatment. Many citizens of the USA have been conditioned to believe that paying for health insurance gives them priority care compared to an uninsured person and if everyone was the same then they’d lose that priority status. They think that if everyone can get healthcare then they’ll die in a waiting room, and there is no evidence to support that our hospitals will not be able to keep up.
Also, countries with socialized healthcare usually also have private health care. But since they have to compete with the public option their prizes are fairly reasonable.
And that’s not socialism, it’s capitalism.
You see it the wrong way.
Because there’s a private option, some procedures are either not available or drastically down-prioritized in a public-private system. Shoulders, knees, foot ops to promote proper mobility get a “well let’s wait a bit … or you can go private?”. And the best docs go private to maximize the filthy lucre, so sometimes I worry it’s gonna be Dr Nick I get. it never happens, but it only has to happen once for the GoP to be right.
Because there’s a private option, the number of docs in the public system go down. And wait-lists go up. I know we’re doing … okay … but I imagine how much better it could be if doctors were all in the same pool to burn down the queue.
There’s public health, and then there’s the cancerous taint of mercenary fucking doctors and their macabre lobbyists. It just matters how fucking corrupted a given system is on a scale from Antarctica to America.
I think it is wrong to assume “all doctors are greedy.” ask any child why they want to be a doctor and they’ll tell you “to help people.”
All of the evidence points to the opposite!
The examples they love to give are lies or systems after being defunded by conservatives.
Oh, trust me, everyone that support universal healthcare is very much aware that the US ranks quite poorly when it comes to preventable mortality rates in hospitals. The insurance and medical lobbies have used the bullshit wait times disinformation/propaganda for decades and those against universal healthcare love to bring that up as some sort of reliable defense.
The other thing they consistently use to defend the current system is it would raise taxes to overwhelmingly burdensome rates. They of course ignore the insane monthly premiums that families have to pay already, not to mention the amount of taxes we already pay for Medicaid/Medicare. We get to pay twice! What a benefit.
Currently Canada pays no premium and no user-fees for stuff that’s covered. Like, my auntie is in for a drastic illness and a series of procedures and she worries only about paid parking. I walked in for a series of tests a few months ago and brought only my ID.
Our system is eroding fast (thanks, Danielle!) but it’s still amazing for its services and cost.
Like in France, where Macron spent millions to fucking McKinsey for their asshole consultants to “optimize” our healthcare system. Said assholes did what they do best: cut costs and staff.
Now our hospitals are in shambles, workers are at the rope’s end and they keep on cutting their budget year after year. But it’s all good, we voted for the left so that they turn things around! Oh wait…
In reality: We pay extra for ourselves and our doctors to wade through a parade of forms that insurance companies will use to deny care for mostly technical reasons.
The only time our hospitals weren’t able to keep up is when conservatives refused to wear a mask during a global pandemic.
Cant keep up?
Idk why the hell late night ER visits (11pm) take fucking HOURS to get seen if you don’t have a life threatening emergency. You could still be in serious pain for hours.
I’m next to the main entrance. No ambulance has dropped off someone for you to drop everything to treat.
The purpose of the ED is to make sure you’re not actively dying and then refer you to a specialist who books three months out.
There is a huge gap in American medicine between the ED and the doctor’s office. You might spend weeks or months in severe pain or discomfort waiting to be seen by someone who can treat you. The ED docs are just there to stabilize you and send you on your way.
I agree. But hours wait time to take vitals and then give fluids/meds to provide relief?
I don’t recall the specifics but it’s usually “severe” chest or stomach pain. I’m the default in my family to grab someone at any hour to run them to the ER.
Edit: I’m talking 5~7 hours usually for late night ER visits in a major US city.
…it’s called triage.
I believe I forgot to state my point. Your health plan and its cost doesn’t help your level of care.
I understand triage. Prioritizing care based on severity. The wait is most likely due to staffing constraints on the graveyard shift.
Its just frustrating that every experience at the ER amounts to hours of wait time. Especially considering the cost of the appointment.