I guess they really want Israel to stop!

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      Sorry bro. I guess keep calling it out. I guess it feels like not enough but that’s all you have, I guess

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          Well. I’m a New Zealander. We’re not funding the genocide here but I feel just as powerless to do anything about it. Best of luck to you

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          You’d have to renounce US citizenship, the US taxes citizens living abroad too. And after you’ve done all that, you won’t have changed the amount of money going to Israel by a penny and you will have made it slightly more likely pro-Israel-funding politicians get elected because one vote against has left.

          So if anything you’re overturning your life to make the problem worse.

          Donate to aid organizations if you want to improve the situation for Palestinians. That’s what you can do.

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    Every dollar saved because of “defensive aid” gets spent on offensive weapons…

    If they had to pay for their own defense, they wouldn’t be able to start so many wars at once.

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      Normally, I could understand offering at least some minimal baseline level of defensive aid (edit: and perhaps even an inflated one considering that the the one year anniversary of the Hamas attack is coming up), but…

      Israel has nukes. Why the heck does the US need to offer defensive aid to a nuclear armed country?

      The US doesn’t do this for any other allied (UK, France) or loosely allied neutral (India) country with nukes.

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      If they had to pay for their own defense they wouldn’t exist.

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        Bombing other people isn’t fucking self defense…

        I have no issues with funding actual defense mechanisms like the iron dome and whatever. Small munitions, bulletproof vests, whatever you need to DEFEND your citizens I’m cool with. When it turns outward and you start “military operations” against other countries that’s when I say good fucking luck on your own.

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          I have issue with supporting an apartheid state. I think aid should be conditioned on Israel granting full citizenship to Palestinians.

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              The opposite, granting Palestinians citizenship allows them to potentially control the government.

              Compare that to any point in our lifetime, where Israel has been their defacto government: Palestinians must report each birth, each change of address to a “foreign” government. If they want to leave their country, they must seek permission from the “foreign” government. If they want to visit their family across town, they must present identification to a “foreign” government.

              Citizenship ends apartheid.

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                Ah, I missed the “full” part. Yes, that would be great, but I don’t doubt that they’d still be treated as second-class citizens.

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              That would make their version of parliament roughly half Palestinian. More if the right of return was generally enforced. (Just allowing them to move back into the country) So the resulting country would actually be pretty fair to them as long as the apartheid part really is gotten rid of.

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        Source for that?

        They’re trying to make sure other nations don’t exist.

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    Normal people: “Israel is starting to become the aggressor”

    Christian muricans: “B-b-but the b-bible!!”

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      Yo for real, my mom is one of those Bible nuts… Can’t be reasoned with. “dead children are part of God’s plan”

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      Doing what? Showing how the Biden administration and Democratic party are perfectly happy to help Israel kill children?

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        A Republican administration would be licking Bibi’s butthole just as much, if not more. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Israel has overstepped the “defending itself” excuse, and is committing war crimes in their attempt to destroy Hamas by exterminating and land grabbing from the Palestinians (with Lebanon next). None of this should be funded by the US.

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        Today kids, we’re going to talk about The Straw Man.