On being able to comprehend, there are human conditions that are beyond my comprehension. I mean as an intellectual thought process I am aware why some people do certain things but it is so far outside of my experience that I could never truly comprehend why.
It doesn’t have to, but in the case of eating animals it does equal cruelty. For what other pleasure than taste would there be this much bickering when the price is an animals life?
Let’s stay with the dog in the picture, would it be cruel to stun it with a bolt gun, hang it upside down and slit it’s throat? Not out of neccesity but because you like the taste?
Bolt guns are used primarily because they’re not cruel. The animal doesn’t suffer, it’s like flipping a switch. Penetrating bolt guns don’t even stun, they instantly kill. I don’t have an issue killing an animal for meat, as long as it’s done quickly and the animal doesn’t feel pain. Animals eating animals is part of nature, and we do it a hell of a lot nicer than any other animal.
You didn’t answer my question. The dog in the picture, if someone came over and instead of rescuing it would have instead stunned it and slit its throat. Again, not because of hunger, just because of taste preference, would you call that cruel?
Oh btw. something being part of nature surely isn’t justification for humans to do it. Animals mate without consent in nature and I hope you are not a proponent of that as well.
And bolt guns specifically stun their victims, they don’t kill. For the bleeding out to be quick and efficent, the heart of the animal has to be beating still. I’ve been to slaughterhouses and I’ve seen it.
IMO, not being able to comprehend cruelty makes someone an ass. The dude in this story could have been kind, polite… they could have helped mow the lawn of their elderly neighbor that’s no longer able to do so themselves.
Regardless of how otherwise good you are treating a pet that you’ve accepted responsibility for and who, potentially, fully trusts you as family like this… that makes you an ass.
Anyways I think my only real objection to your original statement is that I don’t think veganism is relevant to this story. I’d say that vegans are more likely to treat their pet well but it’s not a guarantee - even among vegans that made that choice for an ethical reason there are still assholes.
Vegans might be nicer to animals but in my experience they’re generally trash to other people. Also a vegan owning a pet is hypocrisy in the finest form.
Eh… they often are abrasive but it’s because most of them genuinely believe that consumption of meat is unethical. I certainly don’t appreciate being on the receiving end of their criticism but I can respect that it’s at least logically consistent.
In general, though, vegans are against using animals for their matter and animal mistreatment. Ethical omnivores often refuse to eat animal products from factory farms due to the excessive cruelty involved in that process and vegans do take it further (I’ve always been a bit weirded out by their refusal to eat non-meat products like cheeses and the like but I do understand the logic).
Inviting a pet into your life, if you provide a loving home for them to be in, isn’t against mainline veganism - though people keeping pets they can’t properly care for usually is. It’s all about making sure animals are treated well.
Some vegans just get hyper violent about it though.
Ditto with vegans. Being a vegan doesn’t magically make someone not an ass.
Being an ass was not in question, being able to comprehend cruelty was.
Pick a lane. Convenience does not equal cruelty.
On being able to comprehend, there are human conditions that are beyond my comprehension. I mean as an intellectual thought process I am aware why some people do certain things but it is so far outside of my experience that I could never truly comprehend why.
It doesn’t have to, but in the case of eating animals it does equal cruelty. For what other pleasure than taste would there be this much bickering when the price is an animals life?
Let’s stay with the dog in the picture, would it be cruel to stun it with a bolt gun, hang it upside down and slit it’s throat? Not out of neccesity but because you like the taste?
Edit: Again, downvoting won’t change this :)
Bolt guns are used primarily because they’re not cruel. The animal doesn’t suffer, it’s like flipping a switch. Penetrating bolt guns don’t even stun, they instantly kill. I don’t have an issue killing an animal for meat, as long as it’s done quickly and the animal doesn’t feel pain. Animals eating animals is part of nature, and we do it a hell of a lot nicer than any other animal.
You didn’t answer my question. The dog in the picture, if someone came over and instead of rescuing it would have instead stunned it and slit its throat. Again, not because of hunger, just because of taste preference, would you call that cruel?
Oh btw. something being part of nature surely isn’t justification for humans to do it. Animals mate without consent in nature and I hope you are not a proponent of that as well.
And bolt guns specifically stun their victims, they don’t kill. For the bleeding out to be quick and efficent, the heart of the animal has to be beating still. I’ve been to slaughterhouses and I’ve seen it.
IMO, not being able to comprehend cruelty makes someone an ass. The dude in this story could have been kind, polite… they could have helped mow the lawn of their elderly neighbor that’s no longer able to do so themselves.
Regardless of how otherwise good you are treating a pet that you’ve accepted responsibility for and who, potentially, fully trusts you as family like this… that makes you an ass.
Anyways I think my only real objection to your original statement is that I don’t think veganism is relevant to this story. I’d say that vegans are more likely to treat their pet well but it’s not a guarantee - even among vegans that made that choice for an ethical reason there are still assholes.
Vegans might be nicer to animals but in my experience they’re generally trash to other people. Also a vegan owning a pet is hypocrisy in the finest form.
Eh… they often are abrasive but it’s because most of them genuinely believe that consumption of meat is unethical. I certainly don’t appreciate being on the receiving end of their criticism but I can respect that it’s at least logically consistent.
A vegan owning a pet isn’t hypocritical to most of them - PETA was anti-pet for a while but it seems they came to a better comprehension https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/
In general, though, vegans are against using animals for their matter and animal mistreatment. Ethical omnivores often refuse to eat animal products from factory farms due to the excessive cruelty involved in that process and vegans do take it further (I’ve always been a bit weirded out by their refusal to eat non-meat products like cheeses and the like but I do understand the logic).
Inviting a pet into your life, if you provide a loving home for them to be in, isn’t against mainline veganism - though people keeping pets they can’t properly care for usually is. It’s all about making sure animals are treated well.
Some vegans just get hyper violent about it though.
“tHe peT cAnT coNsENT to owNeRsHIp”
Is the argument I get when I troll c/vegan