Employers aren’t a collective either though, and while abusive employers drive workers to this, more desirable positions (often with better companies) are the ones who bear the brunt of this. The new doctors office looking to hire staff at a fair rate shouldn’t be punished because every McDonald’s on the planet abuses their workforce, nor should the workers who are actually able to work and now have a harder time finding work.
The new doctors office looking to hire staff at a fair rate shouldn’t be punished because every McDonald’s on the planet abuses their workforce
I’m not sure why you’re bringing “fairness” into this. We’re not talking about one group that has wronged another. These are human behaviors and reaction to prior behaviors. There’s no system in place to enforce “fairness” in the way you’re talking about.
If you’re advocating for such a system to be created, then there’s some possibilities there such as employers certifying (under penalty of law) to treat employee candidates with certain rights, and likewise employee candidates could be certifed to actually hold the credentials the employer is requiring for the position. All of those rules will have to be set up and agreed to, and will cost money which has to come from somewhere. As of today, none of this exists. There is no entity enforcing “fairness” in the posting of positions or the application to those positions.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing “fairness” into this. We’re not talking about one group that has wronged another. These are human behaviors and reaction to prior behaviors. There’s no system in place to enforce “fairness” in the way you’re talking about.
Fair is subjective, but in the context specifics aren’t important beyond treating employees as people who deserve to be able to not starve to death or die of overworking.
If you’re advocating for such a system to be created, then there’s some possibilities there such as employers certifying (under penalty of law) to treat employee candidates with certain rights, and likewise employee candidates could be certifed to actually hold the credentials the employer is requiring for the position. All of those rules will have to be set up and agreed to, and will cost money which has to come from somewhere.
I don’t have anything specific I’m advocating for aside from the more common sense, foundational stuff like worker protections, social safety nets, and anti-monopoly law. That said, I don’t think a legally regulated job board would be a bad idea as a band-aid solution. Maybe I’m missing something, but I wouldn’t expect it to be difficult to develop or run. As you said, companies could set minimum requirements such as being with 50km, or having a specific degree. It could be used to help keep companies accountable too, such as requiring a minimum salary be listed or tieing it in to other government programs. In terms of funding, I expect fines for fraudulent postings and applications would be enough to fund most of it, but you could also potentially require something like a deposit on postings, to be returned when (and if) the position is filled. That said, this is entirely me spitballing,
Yep, I’m doing the same, so we’re in the same boat.
The difficulty is going to be adoption of any system. It will have to be carrot or stick…or both. As it stands, the only way I see this occurring is with government mandates, which means engaging politicians to craft legislation (at the state level at least). Before the above happens its going to have to get a lot worse for both employers and employees. There just isn’t enough positive or negative incentive yet to be adopted by society at-large so far.
One other possibility would be at the trade/professional association level. Perhaps say automotive mechanics and employers that hire mechanics. Like 90% of the ideas I think about someone’s already done them, or at least thought about them and identified some shortcoming I haven’t seen. Its entirely possible niche industries do this vetting and certifying of employer offered positions and employee candidates already.
Grow some fucking solidarity, bootlicker, you have more in common with a sweatshop worker in Sri Lanka than you do with your CEO.
E: I’m still waking up and misread “employer” for “employee”, but my point still stands: you’re a bootlicker who needs to grow some solidarity and realise that your employer sees you, and every other employee, as nothing but a dollar sign there to make them money, no matter how many times they tell you you’re “family”. Their interests will never deliberately intersect with yours unless it is so you produce more value for them.
I’m literally just compaining that the system as a whole has fallen apart. I don’t blame people for automated mass applications. Its the logical way to apply in this landscale, and doubly so if you’re trying to escape an even more hyper-capitalist country. I just want people to be able to pay their bills, and as it stands, that means finding a job. If wanting to be able to feed my family makes me a bootlicker, so be it.
Employers aren’t a collective either though, and while abusive employers drive workers to this, more desirable positions (often with better companies) are the ones who bear the brunt of this. The new doctors office looking to hire staff at a fair rate shouldn’t be punished because every McDonald’s on the planet abuses their workforce, nor should the workers who are actually able to work and now have a harder time finding work.
I’m not sure why you’re bringing “fairness” into this. We’re not talking about one group that has wronged another. These are human behaviors and reaction to prior behaviors. There’s no system in place to enforce “fairness” in the way you’re talking about.
If you’re advocating for such a system to be created, then there’s some possibilities there such as employers certifying (under penalty of law) to treat employee candidates with certain rights, and likewise employee candidates could be certifed to actually hold the credentials the employer is requiring for the position. All of those rules will have to be set up and agreed to, and will cost money which has to come from somewhere. As of today, none of this exists. There is no entity enforcing “fairness” in the posting of positions or the application to those positions.
Fair is subjective, but in the context specifics aren’t important beyond treating employees as people who deserve to be able to not starve to death or die of overworking.
I don’t have anything specific I’m advocating for aside from the more common sense, foundational stuff like worker protections, social safety nets, and anti-monopoly law. That said, I don’t think a legally regulated job board would be a bad idea as a band-aid solution. Maybe I’m missing something, but I wouldn’t expect it to be difficult to develop or run. As you said, companies could set minimum requirements such as being with 50km, or having a specific degree. It could be used to help keep companies accountable too, such as requiring a minimum salary be listed or tieing it in to other government programs. In terms of funding, I expect fines for fraudulent postings and applications would be enough to fund most of it, but you could also potentially require something like a deposit on postings, to be returned when (and if) the position is filled. That said, this is entirely me spitballing,
Yep, I’m doing the same, so we’re in the same boat.
The difficulty is going to be adoption of any system. It will have to be carrot or stick…or both. As it stands, the only way I see this occurring is with government mandates, which means engaging politicians to craft legislation (at the state level at least). Before the above happens its going to have to get a lot worse for both employers and employees. There just isn’t enough positive or negative incentive yet to be adopted by society at-large so far.
One other possibility would be at the trade/professional association level. Perhaps say automotive mechanics and employers that hire mechanics. Like 90% of the ideas I think about someone’s already done them, or at least thought about them and identified some shortcoming I haven’t seen. Its entirely possible niche industries do this vetting and certifying of employer offered positions and employee candidates already.
And here lies the fucking problem.
Grow some fucking solidarity, bootlicker, you have more in common with a sweatshop worker in Sri Lanka than you do with your CEO.
E: I’m still waking up and misread “employer” for “employee”, but my point still stands: you’re a bootlicker who needs to grow some solidarity and realise that your employer sees you, and every other employee, as nothing but a dollar sign there to make them money, no matter how many times they tell you you’re “family”. Their interests will never deliberately intersect with yours unless it is so you produce more value for them.
Workers of the world unite.
Fuck self serving bootlickers.
I’m literally just compaining that the system as a whole has fallen apart. I don’t blame people for automated mass applications. Its the logical way to apply in this landscale, and doubly so if you’re trying to escape an even more hyper-capitalist country. I just want people to be able to pay their bills, and as it stands, that means finding a job. If wanting to be able to feed my family makes me a bootlicker, so be it.