• archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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    1 month ago

    Had to go looking, but I found the image this comment is in reaction to.

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    It’s a cartoon from “Liberation” newspaper in france, and the caption is “Ramadan in Gaza” (published just after the hunanitarian aid blockade and famine crisis started in Gaza, for which Israel is now being accused as an act of genocide)

    The woman in a hijab is slapping the hand of an emaciated Gazan chasing after a rat, presumably to catch and eat it, and saying “Not before sunset”

    It’s a pretty openly Islamophobic joke about Gazan’s starving during the month of Ramadan where muslims traditionally fast from sunrise to sunset.

    I don’t think it should need to be said, but even orthodox Muslims recognize exceptions to fasting during ramadan for starvation and bodily injury.

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      1 month ago

      I see it as a joke on how religious fundamentalists would rather condemn their children to die over their own religious choices (which includes waging religious wars)

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        Religion is all these people have left. Can’t condemn them for their last semblance of hope in a hostile environment. Nor can you place sole blame on religion for the conflict. It’s a lot deeper than that

        (They are allowed to eat during Ramadan. that is if Egypt and Israel didn’t withhold international aid, such as flour)

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          I’d suggest they find something better than religion to put their hope in.

          Claiming this conflict isn’t about religion is like claiming the US civil war wasn’t about slavery. In the end it’s jews that wanted the territory to be jewish, and muslims that wanted the territory to remain muslim. If judaism and islam hadn’t existed, all of the ‘deeper’ reasons and divisions just fall away.

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            1 month ago

            I think you can argue that for every single conflict in history

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              29 days ago

              WW1; WW2; Korea; Vietnam; the Gulf Wars; Russian revolution; French revolution; US revolution; US civil war; …

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            27 days ago

            Claiming this conflict isn’t about religion is like claiming the US civil war wasn’t about slavery.

            Err, I actually kinda like this comparison to the civil war - not because the war in Gaza is ‘about religion’ - but because it’s about Israel’s right to occupy/subjugate Palestinian territories and Palestinians within the West Bank and Gaza, which is similar to the South fighting over their right to own/subjugate people of color (though not entirely, since Israel doesn’t claim racial superiority (at least not explicitly)).

            What’s strange about this comparison is that it inadvertently casts Israel as the slavers, even though it seems like the intent is to indict both Judaism and Islam equally

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        Religious fundamentalists do not encourage or instruct fasting during an ongoing famine (not even Islamic ones).

        Thinking that they do (and laughing about it) while they starve at the hands of their colonial occupier is honest-to-god nazi-level genocide apologia.

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          You’d be hard pressed to find a cartoonist more fond of mocking neo-nazi’s than the one who drew this

          It’s mocking adults who’d prefer to die for their religion for condemning their kids (and their kids) to do the same. If you believe they’re starving their kids directly then this newspaper is too difficult for you

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            If you believe they’re starving their kids directly then this newspaper is too difficult for you

            Of course they’re not suggesting they’re ‘starving their kids directly’, but what they are doing is sidelining the colonial power actually responsible for their starvation and instead holding up an inaccurate and bigoted portrayal of their religious practices as a stand-in for Israel’s culpability.

            To blame Muslims for Israel’s sustained genocidal bombardment of innocent Gazans is a level of depraved racist bigotry I honestly never thought I’d witness in my time. The Nazis blamed the Jews for their own extermination, and that is precisely what you are doing here.

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              Don’t call others Nazis. Not allowed.

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                  1 month ago

                  What makes you think they’re a nazi?

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                    I don’t, but you stated that like it’s an absolute community rule.

                    Do we need to report suspicious antisocial behavior to the commissars or can we say someone saying actual Nazi things is a Nazi?

                    Does “don’t be a dick” still apply to justified accusations based on evidence, in other words?

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                  why disavow communism?

                  The Nazis blamed the Jews for their own extermination, and that is precisely what you are doing here.

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                    That Nazis did blame the Jews for their own extermination, and that is what that person was doing.

                    Nowhere did I say that he was a Nazi.

                    Close, but thanks for following directions.

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      27 days ago

      I don’t think it should need to be said, but even orthodox Muslims recognize exceptions to fasting during ramadan for starvation and bodily injury.

      Pretty sure that’s the joke. It’d be real absurd if a cartoon acted otherwise.

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        27 days ago

        The joke only works if the reader holds the Islamophobic view that Palestinians were starving because their faith forbids them from eating, and not because Israel was starving them by blockading humanitarian aid.

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          27 days ago

          Nah, that’s the commentary. If “starving because of religion” is a silly fabrication, what’s the reality?

          Israel was starving them by blockading humanitarian aid.