• grue@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    Man, fuck that judge!

    (Read it once as an expression of derision, then again as literal advice.)

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    10 hours ago

    I’m not saying he should have to, but is there a reason he can’t just submit, “video evidence”

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      The question is whether this is all there is.

      He originally applied for a student visa. If a judge takes this at face value and is approved, every asylum seeker will take a picture with rainbows to get approved. The judge did comment on posturing and I think is just asking “have you ever been in a same sex relationship?”. It could be that there is zero evidence of a relationship.

      Being gay isn’t wearing rainbows, it’s being attracted to someone of the same sex.

      Asylum cases are a little more challenging and do need more proof than other situations.

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        5 hours ago

        “A major part of this involves giving oral testimony to a Home Office official. Inspectors in 2013 found that one in 10 interviewers would ask LGBTQ+ asylum seekers ‘intrusive questions’ such as: ‘Did you put your penis into X’s backside?’ and ‘Did X ejaculate inside you?’“

        Bruh imagine getting deported for being a Virgin, you don’t carry enough homosexual proof like wtf, like what are you even saying ? He should be gayer? Like wtf, he should be promiscuous would that “validate” him?

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          Ooof. That is a brutal line of questioning.

          Home Office never had a good reputation with this sort of stuff. I think they were pretty thorough on visa through marriage as well due to there being man fake marriages they had to fish through.

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          imagine getting deported for being a Virgin,

          That, as well as aro/ace being a thing, but also - imagine living someplace where being in the relationship you want to be in is not only illegal but potentially punishable by death, so you don’t risk it, or if you do, definitely don’t document it, and when you finally escape somewhere you think is safe, they tell you you don’t deserve protection because you have no proof of past relationships.

          And don’t even start on the fact that much of the rampant homophobia around the world was institutionalised there by the same nations now looking for any way to turn those trying to desperately escape it, away.

          Colonise the world, pillage and hoard all of the wealth and resources, then pull up the ladder and kick off anyone trying to escape the pit you put them in and whine about how they’re the ones trying to take over. It’s obscene.

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        He’s worked for an lgbtqia+ charity for asylum seekers. At this point, I don’t care if he is gay, he deserves to be accepted on merit.

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          If that is true, every asylum seeker would volunteer for an LGBTQIA+ charity. If it’s abused it could undermine the cases of gay people genuinely needing refuge as conversation goes from safety, to loophole.

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        If you come from a country where homosexuals have to fear for their life, taking and publishing pictures like that puts you in mortal danger if your asylum claim is denied.
        I’d say after providing these photos, it almost doesn’t matter whether you’re really gay.

        • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.uk
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          That’s what I was thinking. If it’s dangerous to send back someone who is gay, then it is dangerous to send back someone who is very publicly perceived to be gay. In some ways, the publicity from this case has made his case stronger.

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    9 hours ago

    I mean… The judge is probably right, knowing these people 😂

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        A lot of these “asylum seekers” are actually just trying to game the system. Doesn’t help that you need a £40k job to work in the UK, but still

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          Instead of repeating the enormous gas bag that is Nigel Garage, perhaps you would actually like to provide some evidence that that is the case.

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            Given that there are asylum seekers who pretend to convert to another religion to try and get asylum, is it really that much a stretch to suggest that some others will try to game the system in another way?

            I know this is Lemmy and we’re all supposed to pretend that every asylum seeker is a good and honest person, but that’s not how reality works.

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              Sure people will try and game the system, does that mean everybody is and we should fuck then all over?

              Based on this thread can I make the connection that everybody here is a fucking idiot, or do I just assume you and the other dude are the idiots here because that’s all we have evidence of.

              My fellow brits are known for being beer louts around Europe, does that mean all of Britain is that way? Of course it doesn’t.

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              This is just a circle. “The judge is probably right, because he’s probably right”. Using this case as evidence that this case is something that happens frequently, inspite of the judge not using evidence, but his gut. Evidence he was faking would be a video of him kissing a woman at a football game. Not, he hasn’t documented his gayness enough, but also he has to show shame over it at the same time. Too much shame? Somehow evidence he’s not gay, like in this case. To little shame? According to this article it is used to prove they aren’t because real gay people need shame. The evidence is never “hey look, he’s having sex with women, and refusing all these perfectly good men”.