• PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    284·
    8 hours ago

    .46% of general voters? So 1/4 of our loss margin? That’s not nothing.

    Don’t get me wrong. The fall into fascism is primarily on white America. The minority vote is overwhelmingly what has kept us from fascism in my lifetime. That minority support for fascism increased in this election is fucking insane and notable.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      89·
      8 hours ago

      That .46% still represents individuals who voted Democrat in the primary, but indicated non-commitment to any candidate as a way to voice their positions.

      You cannot in sound faith compare the uncommitted turnout to the general loss margin and draw conclusions without further data, though I respect the inquisitive approach in doing so.

      It is good to note the increase, as you have here. To use the increase as an attack or blame, as others have elsewhere, is ignorant and bigoted.

      • Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world
        41·
        6 hours ago

        You’re forgetting that this group deliveredMI because of their stunt. Dearborn has the largest concentraction of Arabs ooutside the Middle East. Note Talib won her seat easily in contrast to Harris despite both being Democrats. It’s not bigotry, it’s just math

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          45·
          5 hours ago

          I am in fact not forgetting about Michigan.

          https://www.270towin.com/ Here is an interactive map of the 2024 election. If you can use your math to get it to show a Harris win by just switching Michigan, I will change my position. 😄

          • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
            22·
            4 hours ago

            seeing an awful lot of downvotes in ratio to a dearth of screenshots proving me wrong 😉 it’s okay to be misinformed; take your time to learn and grow ❤️

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        92·
        8 hours ago

        You cannot in sound faith compare the uncommitted turnout to the general loss margin and draw conclusions without further data, though I respect the inquisitive approach in doing so.

        Then what conclusion is meant to be drawn in this meme by bringing that data point up?

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          78·
          8 hours ago

          To expose the hypocrisy in people group A (white voters) getting less attack and blame than people group B (Arab American voters et al), despite being two orders of magnitude larger.

          In other words, to expose leftist infighting that disproportionately benefits the status quo and could lead to unjustified xenophobic violence. Thanks for your question. :)

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            82·
            8 hours ago

            I mean, at this point, most of us talking about politics already know that the majority of white folk in the US are fascist (or, in terms the mainstream media prefers to use, ‘Republican’). That’s like talking about the sky being blue. No one is talking about the white vote because we already expected the majority to vote for the oppression of minority groups, like they have in the past (at minimum) 10 presidential elections. That minority groups have increased their support for the oppression of minority groups is much more noteworthy.

            It is good to note the increase, as you have here. To use the increase as an attack or blame, as others have elsewhere, is ignorant and bigoted.

            Is using it as an example of leopards eating peoples’ faces an attack or blame, just to clarify?

            • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
              47·
              7 hours ago

              I don’t know what that leopards thing is, or after googling, care.

              An entirely different matter is “solidarity is over/I have no more sympathy for X ethnic group/I hope you suffer X hate crime.” Very real and material statements I have seen.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                8·
                7 hours ago

                I don’t know what that leopards thing is, or after googling, care.

                People who support something bad being surprised when that bad thing happens to them.

                An entirely different matter is “solidarity is over/I have no more sympathy for X ethnic group/I hope you suffer X hate crime.” Very real and material statements I have seen.

                Then we’re in agreement there. There’s no excuse for that.

  • BonerMan@ani.social
    201·
    9 hours ago

    I think it was just to show how badly the democrats and especially Harris read the minorities she was counting on…

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      114·
      9 hours ago

      Yeah, I believe that is the stated motive of the movement as well:

      The movement has highlighted a clear disconnect between the Democratic party and key constituencies in their base. src

  • assaultpotato
    72·
    8 hours ago

    And so with the leftist Arabic vote being such a tiny % of the overall voter base, it would be really smart to pivot to single-issue to maybe win some of that 0.46%, right?

      • assaultpotato
        61·
        6 hours ago

        I disabled replies because you said /conversation and I thought it was done. I didn’t bait you.

        I think we agree on most things. I disagree that pivoting left on Palestine would have net improved voter turnout for Harris. I do agree that the Dems have failed to appeal to undecideds and non-voters. I do agree some people in the Democratic party will be blaming third-party voters, despite them being of little consequence this election. Criticizing Hispanics for voting Trump based on vague notions of “the economy” is fair game, though, along with criticizing white people who thought Biden was still running, etc.

        Re: your other post, if your post is so widely misinterpreted that you have to comment a clarification, maybe your communication isn’t clear.

        You’re clearly not dumb, but not everyone who replies is committing a logical fallacy.

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          33·
          6 hours ago

          Waiting until the last minute to link the post you were referencing (which, to be fair, most people didn’t need me to explain) was a bit confusing, so I’ll admit that felt like bad form. But no hard feelings.

          It seems like we’re on the same page about most things, and I agree with all the points you listed.

          I’ll also apologize for the immediate defensiveness—people on this site can be really mean, and shove words into my mouth without evidence, and after a while, it starts to get to you. You are one in a million for actually having a source for your opinion on me (which I just wish you had linked earlier 😛).

      • assaultpotato
        81·
        8 hours ago

        It’s only a strawman if you haven’t posted exactly that argument before. So, which is it, though? Did the Dems lose because they failed to pivot left on Palestine to capture the leftist Arabic vote, or are leftist Arabs an inconsequentially small voter base?

        Answer: it’s the second one! White people handed this country to Trump, and trying to court Arabs with Palestine wouldn’t have increased Harris’ results.

          • assaultpotato
            61·
            7 hours ago

            Again, not a false dilemma if you’ve previously posted that pivoting left for Arabic votes on Palestine would put the Democrats in power.

            I agree that the Dems abandoned appealing to voters on economic grounds, which is what actually lost them the election. But I’m not addressing any arguments in that - I’m commenting on your previous commentary on Dems not pivoting left on Palestine. So hey, fallacy fallacy yourself if you want.